What new Rolls would you like to see 91-99? + Other JA's.

What new Rolls would you like to see 91-99?

SE did a good job of making Corsair very comprehensive in terms of covering many different kinds of Buffs, without too much overlap with Bard. That said, what remains to be done?

Triple Attack Roll. (imagine stacking that with Fighters!)
Damage Mitigation Roll.
Critical Hit Damage Roll.
Magic Critical Hit Roll.

What am i missing?

A Pianissmo Ability for Corsair would be nice, and there's no reason for it to be higher level, either.

PDT- roll, base stats roll, possibly an actual haste roll, status resistance roll...can't think anything else atm.

The 'pianissimo' is something we've asked forever T.T it'd be so good to have it.

Haste roll is stupid, its beyond easy to already cap haste.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Critical Hit Damage Roll.

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Isn't that Rogue's Roll?

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Originally Posted by bishop

Isn't that Rogue's Roll?

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Rogue's increases critical hit *rate*.
I'm referring to critical hit *damage*.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

A Pianissmo Ability for Corsair would be nice, and there's no reason for it to be higher level, either.

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This would be epic... reserving fold for evokers roll just to avoid killing my ugly pendant latent is starting to drive me nuts.

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Originally Posted by Alobont

Haste roll is stupid, its beyond easy to already cap haste.

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Given 26% gear max and 15% from Haste spell, how do we hit max cap without requiring a BRD or DNC in party which aren't always around?
Haste Roll would give you that option when you aren't in a party with BRD or DNC.

I'd like to see a haste roll, a -pdt roll (arguably one can get to cap on that as well), an elemental resistance roll, a treasure hunter roll. Not too fussed about crit damage rolls since we seem to have an adequate number of damage dealing augments.

A JA to boost the strength of our old rolls ~

TP conserve roll would be nice even an add mag dmg roll would be fun too. As for other ja i would like to see a new set of 8 ja that give you add mag dmg on cor rng attks or even a way to make cor rng attks do mag dmg only.

I've been corsair a long time and have always been very jealous of Pianissimo. I had an idea about a COR version of the ability. Maybe a mini-roll that rolls 1-6 like Wild Card but only affects one target and grants a job-specific bonus to the target, so you wouldnt have to get a new roll for each job again just the one roll but it has different effects based on the job of the target. For example... like if you have a PLD mixed into the melee and he isnt benefiting from the DD rolls you have on your knuckleheads with the big swords. You could roll this single target roll on your pld and say for example the effect for PLD is damage mitigation like phalanx and VOILA! your pld now has a relevant roll that hasnt messed up your rotation or created a tide of gripes and complaints from the melee department.

A recycle effect roll that works with Ninjitsu, Bullets, Arrows, Cards, Pet items etc. Atmas already handle most things may aswell help cheapies like me out somehow.

Call it Taereon's Roll.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

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Originally Posted by bishop

Isn't that Rogue's Roll?

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Rogue's increases critical hit *rate*.
I'm referring to critical hit *damage*

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i think we've all been living in abyssea too long if we think we need a CRIT DMG+ Roll.

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

an elemental resistance roll

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Interesting Idea. It would be nice to see something that rival's Carol Tier 2 Songs. Potency could rely on number rolled. Could boost all elements as well.

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Originally Posted by Alobont

Haste roll is stupid, its beyond easy to already cap haste.

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I agree with everyone else. Can you already cap haste? Yes. Then again we could cap haste before Haste Samba and it was still added. If anything Haste Roll would be more useful than... say Gallant's Roll.

:O How about an "Enhances Skill Up Rate" roll?

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Originally Posted by Orenwald

:O How about an "Enhances Skill Up Rate" roll?

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Skill up roll of any type would be fun to have but in the end will be pointless much like skillchain acc roll... May be mag crit and i would love to see a conserve tp roll something that atmas do not give though brd needs buffs that atmas do not give too to give a point to buff jobs.

I would like to see a ja that makes the next roll more potent, where as the effect of the next roll is doubled.
Or a wager ja roll. Where rolling 1-3. Extends the rolls duration and 4-6 busts it. Could use it to keep those 11's.

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Originally Posted by Leonidus

i think we've all been living in abyssea too long if we think we need a CRIT DMG+ Roll.

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>.>?

Critical hit Damage is as useful inside Abyssea as it is Outside :|. Raging Rush, Evisceration, Ukon's Furry, Victory Smite, Jishnu's Radiance (? i forgot if thats crit), all still useful outside Abyssea.

I think It'd be a useful roll for at least the jobs that can use the above :|

In keeping with the other threads on this forum...

Why not a Treasure Hunter roll? Could use the same scale as Tactician's Roll: ranging from TH+0 for unlucky, TH+3 for lucky, TH+4 for XI. Would be great if it enhanced a THF's TH (up to whatever the total cap is), but I'd be OK with it even if a COR roll just gave up to TH4 and didn't effect THF's TH (meaning it's useful for situations when you aren't with a THF).

Cure +% inc waltzs roll is all i can think of

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Originally Posted by Evilaion

I would like to see a ja that makes the next roll more potent, where as the effect of the next roll is doubled.
Or a wager ja roll. Where rolling 1-3. Extends the rolls duration and 4-6 busts it. Could use it to keep those 11's.

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Actually, I was just thinking of something along these lines. I'd call the ability "Double Down" How it would work is it would double the effect of the next roll, but would allow no further upgrades to that roll. For example: you roll a 5 on Chaos Roll and use Double Down and roll a 3 for a total of 8. The effect would double to 6%, but you wouldn't be able to use snake eye and increase it to 9 like i usually would. I'd treat this idea as a group3 merit at lvl99, with 5 merits in it giving it a 5 min CD.

As far as new rolls are concerned, I'd like to see PDT, MDT, and Triple Attack.

Oh, I almost forgot....please please please SE give us some decent bullet options!

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Originally Posted by Anza

In keeping with the other threads on this forum...

Why not a Treasure Hunter roll? Could use the same scale as Tactician's Roll: ranging from TH+0 for unlucky, TH+3 for lucky, TH+4 for XI. Would be great if it enhanced a THF's TH (up to whatever the total cap is), but I'd be OK with it even if a COR roll just gave up to TH4 and didn't effect THF's TH (meaning it's useful for situations when you aren't with a THF).

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For the love of god no.... If you want TH get a thf... please don't use 1 of the 2 roll slots to give AoE TH which becomes USELESS after the first swing that lands...

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Originally Posted by Evilaion

I would like to see a ja that makes the next roll more potent, where as the effect of the next roll is doubled.
Or a wager ja roll. Where rolling 1-3. Extends the rolls duration and 4-6 busts it. Could use it to keep those 11's.

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The problem with it is that if you merited Sneak Eyes, you'll always get a 1 on next roll, so COR would never bust, lol, and thus whats the gambling on it

Well what about Scenario Rolls now, for example: an Abyss Roll that would increase atma effects on player, on a bust erasing one of COR's Atmas and only be able to cast it on Abyssea areas, or an Dynamis Roll, giving the party a buff on already present status on player but only available to cast on Dynamis áreas, same for a Sea and Sky rolls, I know many players do not visit these areas by these days, but as SE is trying to reborn that places, it would be an incentive to do it....

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Originally Posted by Capn

For the love of god no.... If you want TH get a thf... please don't use 1 of the 2 roll slots to give AoE TH which becomes USELESS after the first swing that lands...

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Weeellll.... if you're Farming farming, do you really need 2 buffs? lol

Shed roll

Reduces enmity generation by 25-50%

Actually the idea of Treasure Hunter roll does interest me. Instead of giving TH to all partys, why not just enhances Treasure Hunter abilities, so jobs which have TH (like Theif, and hopefully Corsair if SE will give them TH as well) wll be just limited only to them so it will not be overpowering. Plus, depending on the number they roll for Treasure Hunter will depend on the spoils or chances of spoils they might get. Example: roll 1-4 Tier 1 spoils (like kindread seals, beastcoin etc.) , roll 5-7 Tier 2 spoils (like scrolls , Testimony or coffer keys, key items) 8-10 Tier 3 spoils ( like armor or hi tier weapons and scrolls), and of course 11 will be a special roll enhancing all 3 Tiers. Of course if u bust u get no spoils at all or u might have penalty on your TH. This way, u are not just looking for the highest number, but also looking for a certain range of number. Of course if u are lucky to get 11 u have a hi chance of getting on all Tier spoils. So its mostly depend on how u roll, what u want to roll, and ur luck on rolling.

I personally would like to see rolls that enhance the attack of a certain element, like for example Fire Roll enhances fire magic attack. Just a thought!

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Originally Posted by Suzanoo

I personally would like to see rolls that enhance the attack of a certain element, like for example Fire Roll enhances fire magic attack. Just a thought!

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No thanks. At best a 360° elemental affinity roll..but it'd be overpowered anyway. Just stick to wizard's and hope that the revamp on it will be good.

I know we play dice and not cards, but I've always wanted to see a boost for rolling 5 times without busting (Roll + 4 double ups). Like a 5-card trick in black jack.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

I know we play dice and not cards, but I've always wanted to see a boost for rolling 5 times without busting (Roll + 4 double ups). Like a 5-card trick in black jack.

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I like it. If you roll 5 times without busting maybe that should equate to an automatic XI status not matter what number you hit. Certainly would increase odds of getting an XI and would decrease the times you actually have to roll 6 or more times (not common but I've definitely done the 1-1-1-3-1-1 thing before)

So did anyone have conserve TP and Pet Regain in their list of must have rolls?

Well that's what we got.

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

So did anyone have conserve TP and Pet Regain in their list of must have rolls?

Well that's what we got.

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More useless rolls that will cost 250k+ yay!

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

So did anyone have conserve TP and Pet Regain in their list of must have rolls?

Well that's what we got.

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weeeeeeeeeeeeee, just want I ALWAYS wanted!!!

*hacks up a hairball and walks away*

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Originally Posted by Capn

More useless rolls that will cost 250k+ yay!

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Well on the bright side I won't have to change my macros on the way to 95.

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For the love of god no.... If you want TH get a thf... please don't use 1 of the 2 roll slots to give AoE TH which becomes USELESS after the first swing that lands...

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1 of 3 spots now ;)

Companion's Roll isn't game changing by any means, but at least it has a use. BST can solo/lowman a lot of stuff just standing back and letting the pets do the work, and Puppet Roll is often irrelevant these days. So Beast Roll + Companion's Roll is a pretty good set. And if we get 3 rolls, there are now actually 3 rolls that directly enhance the pet (since Drachen does nothing for BST). Anyone with BST friends may find some use out of this one.

Conserve TP though? Wow, that's pretty awful. Never going to beat Regain, and unless it's a MASSIVE amount of Conserve TP you're probably better off using Fighter's or Samurai anyway (not to mention other rolls from a DD perspective).

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Originally Posted by Anza

Companion's Roll isn't game changing by any means, but at least it has a use. BST can solo/lowman a lot of stuff just standing back and letting the pets do the work, and Puppet Roll is often irrelevant these days. So Beast Roll + Companion's Roll is a pretty good set. And if we get 3 rolls, there are now actually 3 rolls that directly enhance the pet (since Drachen does nothing for BST). Anyone with BST friends may find some use out of this one.

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If the BST can solo without you why would they duo instead? And if they are willing to duo why not do it faster on MNK/NIN/THF/DNC + WHM?

Crap rolls are crap. If you're in a pet LS and your pet job isn't needed in a given event then the roll has uses otherwise its just a way to dump gil.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

If the BST can solo without you why would they duo instead? And if they are willing to duo why not do it faster on MNK/NIN/THF/DNC + WHM?

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Because sometimes the game is just about having fun. I would have used Companion's just the other day. I logged in on COR, my BST friend was out soloing NMs, and I asked if she wanted some company. I was rolling Beast and either Dancer's/Tactician's on her, but I would have used Companion's for that second roll if it existed then. Was I REQUIRED? No. I was out there having a good time with my friend.

There are plenty of legitimate strategies relying on lowman with pets acting as tank/DD and the masters standing back. This gives COR a way to help those people out when Puppet roll is irrelevant. You don't have to be in a pet LS to know a BST or two who might enjoy a buff that helps them.

The "why not duo it on some other combination of jobs" comment is obnoxious. Not everyone has a WHM + tank/DD duo available, and not everyone WANTS to do everything with the same strategy. If MNK + WHM can kill everything (not really THAT much of a stretch today, aside from Voidwatch), why are we even on the COR forum at all, since COR is never needed?

I am with Anza on this, I enjoy duoing with a BST friend back in the day and he would have loved this roll so its not useless just not relevant to alot of people.

Do I need to do it? Nope but it is nice to do something different

Miser's, yeah I will not be buying that but Companion's I will be~

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Originally Posted by Zagen

If the BST can solo without you why would they duo instead? And if they are willing to duo why not do it faster on MNK/NIN/THF/DNC + WHM?

Crap rolls are crap. If you're in a pet LS and your pet job isn't needed in a given event then the roll has uses otherwise its just a way to dump gil.

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When I worked on Isgebind KI for lv 90 empy trial, I trioed Kur with a DRK COR BST. With BST pet tanking Kur, DRK getting red proc, and COR dealing dmg from outside of AoE range with WF. That was before SE nerfed BST PDT -100%, and the pet was pretty decent tank against that NM.

If BST can solo without a COR, having a COR will increase the killing speed greatly, without actually ruining anything. You won't get hate if you're careful enough, and you can deal dmg outside of AoE range. Ranged magical WS has decent dmg in Abyssea with atmas unless the NM resists it, it should kill way faster with just BST himself or even 2 BSTs.

Companion's roll certainly helps pet tanking, and in general helps the pt kills faster, that's one situation I can think of to use this roll. Very situational, but the situation does exist.

And yes I know WAR NIN WHM is an even more efficent setup to farm KI with more red proc and faster killing speed, but none of us have WAR, NIN leveled, and I don't have a WAR or NIN friend sitting in Jeuno 24/7 ready to help me getting the KI while getting nothing in return. I try my best to get the thing done with setup I have at hand.

And inb4 "you should go lv WAR and NIN" etc. Yes, I'm a gimp noob who doesn't have 1000 friends with right jobs, and don't have right jobs myself. I love how this game is nowadays, you fail if you play other jobs that's not NIN WAR MNK WHM, or if you don't make friends with right jobs. I make friends based on the player, not the jobs they have.

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Originally Posted by Afania

When I worked on Isgebind KI for lv 90 empy trial, I trioed Kur with a DRK COR BST. With BST pet tanking Kur, DRK getting red proc, and COR dealing dmg from outside of AoE range with WF. That was before SE nerfed BST PDT -100%, and the pet was pretty decent tank against that NM.

If BST can solo without a COR, having a COR will increase the killing speed greatly, without actually ruining anything. You won't get hate if you're careful enough, and you can deal dmg outside of AoE range. Ranged magical WS has decent dmg in Abyssea with atmas unless the NM resists it, it should kill way faster with just BST himself or even 2 BSTs.

Companion's roll certainly helps pet tanking, and in general helps the pt kills faster, that's one situation I can think of to use this roll. Very situational, but the situation does exist.

And yes I know WAR NIN WHM is an even more efficent setup to farm KI with more red proc and faster killing speed, but none of us have WAR, NIN leveled, and I don't have a WAR or NIN friend sitting in Jeuno 24/7 ready to help me getting the KI while getting nothing in return. I try my best to get the thing done with setup I have at hand.

And inb4 "you should go lv WAR and NIN" etc. Yes, I'm a gimp noob who doesn't have 1000 friends with right jobs, and don't have right jobs myself. I love how this game is nowadays, you fail if you play other jobs that's not NIN WAR MNK WHM, or if you don't make friends with right jobs. I make friends based on the player, not the jobs they have.

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I'd go NIN/WAR/WHM to that situation cover all Red Procs, kill the NM faster, and Keep everyone alive even while in AoE Range. Lets say my friend who has COR wants to join, he rolls Tactician's on us so we can go through the WSs faster. The COR stays out of AoE range and can go crazy with the damage with almost no fear (doesn't have Wildfire yet) that he'll take hate from the NIN or WAR. In my situation just like yours the COR isn't needed but it is helpful the difference is in my situation they don't have to be "careful" while helping.

As to the "right jobs or you fail" comment on a personal level that is false (this is where your own fun matters), then again that has always been the case. However on a community level that is accurate, but then again the community has always been about efficiency.

My favorite jobs in the game are COR, PLD, and BLU. 2 of the 3 (3 if you discount procs, AoE farming, or T4 Voidwatch) are not efficient if the core jobs haven't been covered. Once the core jobs have been covered they still aren't efficient in most situations but they are helpful. I'd be ignorant to not acknowledge this fact of the current game. Heck once upon a time a party that didn't have a COR or BRD in it was fail...

If you truly enjoy doing things a lot slower and less efficient then that's cool, but don't expect the rest of the community to think pet regen/regain is useful because that's how you roll.