Please, please, PLEASE do something about WoE and Spell Drops!

I have played this game since 2005 and have always stuck loyaly to my BLM and never really ventured into other jobs. I have always tried my best to get the best equipment, cap my skills and keep up to date with my spells.

However with the new spells I am having no luck at all! I have tried my best in WoE to get these spells but it just is not happening. Not to mention that WoE is already dieing out, it is a horrible, tedious and unfun even with a horrible Dificulty:Time:Reward ratio. I have spent hours and hours in it and got nothing in return, except feeling depressed and angry.

Please, please, please change how this works! Either increase the drop rates or better yet, make it like assault! Reward people for thier hard work, let them set thier eyes on a goal they can accomplish, give them points for completing the fluxes and then let them spend points to get the items they need. Right now 1/2 my inventory is filled with Coins that I do not need, whilst others are desperate for them and vica-versa. Plese fix this so I can go back to having fun in this game! RIght now my only choice is to keep doing this horrid even or pay a ridiculos sum of money for what is a basic job ability.

They have renamed the game Logs and Ores because those are the only things that drop from the 'new events': WoE and VW.

I've been lucky and gotten Comet and Thunder 5 but still haven't seen Blizzzaja or Temper/other spells for my other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

They have renamed the game Logs and Ores because those are the only things that drop from the 'new events': WoE and VW.

I've been lucky and gotten Comet and Thunder 5 but still haven't seen Blizzzaja or Temper/other spells for my other jobs.

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I got it from the Turul style WoE when it first came out and gave it to a BLM I knew, only to be told "It's crap" grateful or what?

on the 'crap' part, yeah Comet is soooooo lol when compared to all the other spells. But not to be grateful when someone gives you a 2-3mil gil spell (depends on server) is totally uncool. Next time, sell that yourself and show him the screen shot.

I to have been living in WoE, just to get the Blm spells. I refuse to buy them, the spells are not needed for procs so I'm in no rush to buy them, spending 1.4 to 2 mil a piece. I can almost make a weapon now, I have tons of coins I don't need and not even a hint of a spell. On my server I can only do it from morning to mid afternoon, after that 3 people in area. It appears only the JP's do WoE.

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Originally Posted by lllen

I to have been living in WoE, just to get the Blm spells. I refuse to buy them, the spells are not needed for procs so I'm in no rush to buy them, spending 1.4 to 2 mil a piece. I can almost make a weapon now, I have tons of coins I don't need and not even a hint of a spell. On my server I can only do it from morning to mid afternoon, after that 3 people in area. It appears only the JP's do WoE.

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Same. It's gotten that bad that you either have to hit it up early in the morning or just forget about it. I've been doing it since they opened the new ones and I got some gear items but never any spells. I wont buy them either, I have relics and mythics to spend money on. They need to address this in either making spells more accessible to obtain or somehow making WoE something that people 'want' to do versus 'need' because needs will eventually be fulfilled and people dont come back.

these spells do drop from the higher tier VWs. I know people who has gotten a Comet off Qilin the other day (no daggers/boots though).

I usually only do WoE on Sat/Sun morning (EST) which is peak JP time when there are around 100+ JPs in there. Otherwise, weeknights are just a crapshoot and usually just a waste of time to go in and sit and wait for ppl.

I forwarded your feedback to the dev. team about adjusting the drop rates for spells in WoE.

They let me know that while it wouldn’t be impossible to adjust the drop rates, this would cause other items drop rates (coins, etc.) to be lowered, so from a balance perspective it would be difficult to do.

Also, the high tier magic scrolls have been set to a somewhat higher difficulty to obtain, and it has not been balanced so that you are guaranteed to learn the spell as soon as you reach the proper level.

Coin drop rates are super low anyway and it's rarely the coin you need, so I doubt many people would care considering every BLM wants Comet, but very few people bother with WoE weapons considering how easy making an empyrean is.

Just keep the Conflux 7 and below battlefields for coins as they are now, and increase the droprate of scrolls in the higher fluxes. People already do 7 instead of others if they want coins over other drops. The drop rates don't have to be ridiculous, but having more than a snowball's chance in hell at seeing the spell drop would be adequate. I don't see the problem in this model.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I forwarded your feedback to the dev. team about adjusting the drop rates for spells in WoE.

They let me know that while it wouldn’t be impossible to adjust the drop rates, this would cause other items drop rates (coins, etc.) to be lowered, so from a balance perspective it would be difficult to do.

Also, the high tier magic scrolls have been set to a somewhat higher difficulty to obtain, and it has not been balanced so that you are guaranteed to learn the spell as soon as you reach the proper level.

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The equipment should be the rarest drops. Spells in the middle, and coins be the highest. There. You have moderate difficulty to obtain spells, hard difficulty to obtain gear (some of which is of extremely high value because of its rarity due to people not doing those Walks) and coins, which the average layperson wants from WoE the highest.

I think I just solved your item drop balance.

So are you saying that the drop rates of scroll are linked to the drop rate of coins via code? If so then that's silly and you should fix that. If you mean that you don't want both coins and scrolls to have reasonable drop rates, then that is also silly and you should fix that.

Yes maybe the high tier should be maybe a bit more difficult. But this is the real effect it is having on me (I'm speaking for myself I really don't need a bunch of people in here calling me lazy, I probably am)

I'm still paying for my account but I have maybe logged in 3 or 4 times since the update. Seriously I just did the level 95 limit break yesterday and logged off. You know why? I can't afford to get spells on one of my main job. The price has barely gone down since the update which must mean they are still ultra rear drops. So I can play the lottery at BCNMs but it just seems like a waste of time, I never get drops from those anyway.

Because I miss playing I'm trying to choose another job, (some melee that gets their abilities for free) but everyone always wanted my BLM.

I agree with the above poster. Gear should be rare. For that +1 stat it's nice to have but you can play your job without being gimp with it.

And for the folks that are going to call me lazy anyway. Give me another difficult, time consuming, hell put JP midnights in there as well I don't care as long as the quest is mostly solo-able (ie like Sleepga 2 was in its day) and I'll be happy.

It would make too much sense for a weaker weapon than an empy to be easier to obtain than the much better version, and it would make too much sense for us to have realistic chances at getting spells we need without having to be rich, don't bother, they won't fix it proper just like they won't fix voidwatch

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I agree with this thread. Changes need to be made. I have enough "Coins of Ruined My Dam Afternoon" to make 3 Staffs. Not a coin over 20 in the others.

I stopped counting after 100k+ worth a merit points and not getting a single blm spell. An adjustment would be much appreciated. Even better if the odds of whats in the chest are increased by what job you are currently on. More scrolls would hopefully eliminate the absurd AH prices.

Also,could you ask the devs to eliminate or reduce log drops? I think I've gotten enough logs to make a fort that would rival Fort Ghelsba.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I forwarded your feedback to the dev. team about adjusting the drop rates for spells in WoE.

They let me know that while it wouldn’t be impossible to adjust the drop rates, this would cause other items drop rates (coins, etc.) to be lowered, so from a balance perspective it would be difficult to do.

Also, the high tier magic scrolls have been set to a somewhat higher difficulty to obtain, and it has not been balanced so that you are guaranteed to learn the spell as soon as you reach the proper level.

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HERE IS YOUR BALANCE - REMOVE THE DAMN WORTHLESS DROPS LIKE ORES.

I have to agree. BLM has been my first and main job since i started years ago (i forget when... insert "some time ago") and I can't get ahold of any of the later spells.

i get a few hrs an evening to log in after work, so with the cooldown of how often you can do WoE, and actually wanting to play the game rather than purely farm farm farm, its urgh ! ive had to give up on the later spells for the jobs in there (i have nearly all mage jobs)..

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Originally Posted by Maahes

with the cooldown of how often you can do WoE

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This!

Either Fix the drop rates SE, or give us the Test Servers treatment for all Fluxes. We don't mind if we have to pay 1000gil to enter a flux in Walk of Echoes, but pigeonholing us with the all to common hour wait in between is retarded! Pardon my language but you are technically "holding us back" here so that was the correct word Dev team/Mods.

If SE thinks scroll and coins are somehow directly related to the game balancing, that would worries me to no end more because it clears show that SE is clueless on how people play this game.

Seriously, having all logs and ores from WoE and VW is just WRONG. just because your player base wont craft does not make forcing these materials on them will make them craft. The only thing it has solved so far are the crazy expense for some of the Goldsmith skill levels. I can tell you spamming WoE and VW on hours on end and only thing you get to show for are logs and ores that doesn't cover expenses (cells are expensive for VW). It's wearing on a lot of people who are doing these 2 events.

SE really need to LISTEN on the feedbacks that they are already getting from those events. Unless of course you really want to rename this game "Logs and Ores" because those are basically the only things you get from the 2 current 'end game' since there really isn't anything else to do.

Oh Silly SE.

Grind before find.

wow i just went to try a few WoE tonight (gmt) and flux 8,9,10 and 11 are all totally empty...

So cant even try this system tonight ....

Absolutely agree, the drop rates of spells is woeful, SE have completely messed up (yet again). In 30+ WoE runs in fluxes 9 & 11, I've received 0 BLM spells. I did get a Whm and a Rdm one though, but obviously they drop more frequently as their AH price is a few hundred k, instead of 1-2M like the BLM ones. 30+ WoE runs, at on average of 1hr/run including missed out runs because the flux fills too quickly, or hanging around for hours not getting enough people to do a run and successfully win, makes this the biggest waste of time SE have introduced in a long time. Bring back the Abyssea style farming/drops, where people at least get some guarantee of drops after staggers, not fully random BS that never works.

If you have such bad luck then i would advise you to do this. Farm dynamis once you can get about 100 coins solo which will get you about 1m gil enough to buy any of the new scrolls on the AH.

Circumventing a broken system, does not fix said broken system.

This isn't WoE alone. Voidwatch.

VW is not broken. Most of us make on average 1-4M gil per 4x Qilin... Not to mention we could open a shoe shop with how many boots we have seen.

Trade your cells, cap your lights, proc your TH - and you will get drops half the time. If you don't - keep all the synth mats and AH or NPC them. Still a great way of making gil. After doing 4-8x qilin's you can just straight out buy one of the scrolls you miss.

I do agree with WoE though. If you're not a SMN or PLD you might as well not bother. The drops in WoE are terrible - and yes for some reason I could open a bank with the amount of coins of ruin I could have kept. Coins of Ruin seem like a stupidly high drop rate compared to other coins (if people actually make WoE weapons these days).

Perhaps tie the coins into what job you are currently on - ie BLM will get ruin, RDM will get coin for sword - etc etc.

Another suggestion is copy the voidwatch format loosely and implement that into WoE. Give everyone the ability to read hints for staggers, add alignment that is shared with everyone in that conflux, give all the mobs the ability to be proc'd (or on multi-boss zones like the mandies - can proc only the pink ones or something).

Finally add some form of gil or cruor reward to the end - doesnt have to be much, however when people are grinding out WoE and get nothing for the 4-5 hours that they may spam it for - it gets a little unmotivating. WoE is dying fast - and for an event that needs quite a lot of participants to work, it will head in the same direction as Campaign. We all know how bad campaign is these days (even with the exp/IS buff)

You must be 1 hell of a lucky person if you have seem that many boots. Almost all my qilin runs (about 50+ runs by now) we have lights capped and if we're lucky we'll get many 1 boots and havent' seen anyone gotten even the NQ daggers yet. Yeah heavy plates are decent if you need gilz but really whats' the point on making gilz where there isn't that many things that it's useful for unless you want to buy a relic which I have no interest at all. Gilz is easy to get now a day and I really have no interest in it. Plus if I want to make gilz, I would be better off jumping on my BST and go farm currency in Dynamis. Would be faster and less stress than waiting to get all the right jobs and then waiting for people to run up to sky. I dont want gilz, I want boots and daggers from qilin (and bodies and other gears from VW).

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Originally Posted by Alderin

VW is not broken. Most of us make on average 1-4M gil per 4x Qilin... Not to mention we could open a shoe shop with how many boots we have seen.

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My record is 29 plates out of 34 qilin runs (didn't get any pouches in the first 28 runs, got lucky with 2 pouches within 5 runs of each other.) You must be pretty damn lucky if you're doing 1-4M per 4x qilin. Is that per person or as a group?

There's a like button for posts, but this one makes me look intensely for a dislike button. I mean; Come on!

Yes; it needs to be difficult to obtain stuff, and the new spells shouldn't be handed to you on a silver platter like most everything else is these days. But part of the process to log into this game tells us not to forget our friends, family, or work! In other words; pay SE the money to play the game every month, but make sure you have a real life outside of the game as well! It's hard to get everything one wants in the game without logging massive amounts of game time.

I for one have a life outside of this fun game. That being said; I don't have massive amounts of free time that I can play trying to get all the cool stuff! I'm quite sure that I'm not the only person who plays this game that has a real life. If you do have an active real life, and have managed to get all, if not any of the newer BLM spells; cudos to your lucky tail!

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I forwarded your feedback to the dev. team about adjusting the drop rates for spells in WoE.

They let me know that while it wouldn’t be impossible to adjust the drop rates, this would cause other items drop rates (coins, etc.) to be lowered, so from a balance perspective it would be difficult to do.

Also, the high tier magic scrolls have been set to a somewhat higher difficulty to obtain, and it has not been balanced so that you are guaranteed to learn the spell as soon as you reach the proper level.

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The drop rates are stupid. There is no reason for the coin drop rates to be lowered.

Poor translation. I think what you really meant is not "from a balance perspective it would be difficult to do. ".

I read that as: "We don't care what you think. We're not changing it."

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Originally Posted by Raksha

My record is 29 plates out of 34 qilin runs (didn't get any pouches in the first 28 runs, got lucky with 2 pouches within 5 runs of each other.) You must be pretty damn lucky if you're doing 1-4M per 4x qilin. Is that per person or as a group?

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Per person.

Out of 4x Qilins, the majority of us are getting a pouch. This is majority - as from time to time a good chunk of us wont get any - yet most of the time, the majority of us get a pouch as a minimum.

Have seen someone getting 2x pouches and comet in 4x Qilins - hence why my upper limit was about 4M - but most of the time most people in our group end up with a pouch. Maybe it is just luck though. All in all - you either get them or you don't.

So I will stand by my opinion that voidwatch is fine - yet WoE needs work. In fact WoE is in such a bad state that give it another month or two tops - and there will be just as many people doing Campaign as there are in WoE.... In fact sometimes that is already the case. WoE requires a decent head count for it to be worth while and yet with an aging game, and less and less people caring about scrolls/coins - the event is headed in the wrong direction.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

You must be 1 hell of a lucky person if you have seem that many boots. Almost all my qilin runs (about 50+ runs by now) we have lights capped and if we're lucky we'll get many 1 boots and havent' seen anyone gotten even the NQ daggers yet. Yeah heavy plates are decent if you need gilz but really whats' the point on making gilz where there isn't that many things that it's useful for unless you want to buy a relic which I have no interest at all. Gilz is easy to get now a day and I really have no interest in it. Plus if I want to make gilz, I would be better off jumping on my BST and go farm currency in Dynamis. Would be faster and less stress than waiting to get all the right jobs and then waiting for people to run up to sky. I dont want gilz, I want boots and daggers from qilin (and bodies and other gears from VW).

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Only just saw this response.

Boots fall from the sky. They are a very common drop. A lot of groups forget TH though - and it is still important. Either get a THF or get your RNG to spam bounty shot whenever its up.

Plates are good - only reason I do VW is for plates / gil at the moment. As for daggers - they are in a similar category to body. We have done sooooo many qilin and have seen NQ dagger a couple of times but never a HQ. I don't think this is insanely broken - the best items are rare.

My point on bringing up the plates is people are complaining about low scroll drop rate (which I agree with in WoE), gil is easy enough to make (from heavy plates alone) doing voidwatch - to simply buy the scrolls.

As for Dynamis - if your farming for gil then its still much slower to spend 2hrs in there solo farming then do a few qilin runs in my opinion. A good group can cap lights, proc TH and kill him in under 10 mins. Give it 5 mins downtime for anyone that died inbetween and your looking at 1hour (plus travel time - which yes, some people cant seem to walk in a straight line) for 4x Qilins. Pouch sells from 1-1.5M usually.. You will be pretty hard pressed farming 100+ pieces in under 1hr in Dynamis I believe.

Finally - as stated above, of course the rarer gear is gonna be RARE. The dagger which is arguably as good as an 85 Twashtar is going to be hard to get. Your kidding yourself if your going to be able to waltz on down there and kill him a few times and get it. Same with the bodies - some of them are circumstantially better then even AF3 bodies on some jobs (for certain actions). Of course they arent going to be easy to get. (In saying that, I know AF3+2 is easy to acquire yet it still takes time).

Well I look at it this way, only use for Blm anymore is azzure lights and proc'ing, don't need the high level spells to succeed. They are luxuries for the purest. I enjoy Blm, but it is down at the bottom of the list now with my Rdm (1st Love). I don't mind doing quests or battles to get spells, but spending hours and hours and I mean hours!!! (only certain hours of the day can you find people at WoE) and all I get are a bunch of useless coins and logs. I can almost make the Katana with the coins I have. It is almost as if Se is nurfing Blm legally.

Its not that I want everything instantly...I went years getting Duelist from Dynamis and the Blm gear, then Thf hands.

WoE is totally broken/useless. SE just keep implementing sadistically hard/time consuming/unrewarding content. Seems to me they are really trying to kill the game off now making it less and less appealing for people to keep playing. After having spent 30+ hours playing in WoE, + another say 10-15hrs waiting around to either get in or get enough people to go with, I've not seen a single BLM spell drop. A few coins, sure. I have maybe 5 of each kind. Unfortuantely I don't reall need them, as I'd do the empy weapon instead, but I can't sell/trade them to at least get some reward out of them.

Major fail SE.

LITTLE MOOGLE THERES SO MUCH WRONG WITH THIS STATEMENT

There's no freaking balance.. ok and to insult us you put UTTER CRAP in that chest.. yes i said it UTTER !#@(U&@(#&@# CRAP. OKAY? After doing a long boring WoE that I skipped sleep for I don't wanna open the box to find a whopping 3k worth of items and be told I can't come in for another hour. AMERICANS HAVE LIVES YOU KNOW? We don't have 6 yrs to sit down chasing after a stupid spell that we can only do during JAPANESE TIME cause u discouraged the rest of the gaming community away from getting them with their HORRIBLE drop rates and crappy rewards. No your not forcing anyone to play it more by adding non profitable TRASH in the chest.. you give us a headache and you waste our precious time, you not even making it 'difficult', you making it STUPID. Since when should LUCK determine when you can get your final skill and not merit/Achievement. Apparently to you guys now it does. Learn from Einherjar and stop the crap py low rate lottery BS plz. Thanks.

PS. Your VNM'S Suck too.. Ok a challenge should always come with a reward.. not BS... and thats what SE is serving lately fresh dirty BS. And I'm not refereing to the Twilight/Abyssea NM item (Omg same item drop last ten time) type of BS.
But you're serving the nasty (Tiamat only dropped a fire crystal WDF) kinda BS. we aren't liking it. And that's why half ur game remains an empty dome of useless memory being wasted and your game population will decrease till no one feels its worth the effort anymore after playing this game for 8 yrs worth of you NONSENSE.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk…the Walk of Echoes? (sorry...)

I have some information in regards to some positive adjustments to be made to rewards obtainable in Walk of Echoes. The development team is currently working on the below changes:

• Raising drop rate on Devious Die in Walks eight through eleven.
  *Planning to adjust the rate so that roughly half of the members that participate will be able to obtain the item.
  
• Magic scrolls geared towards level 96+ will be added to the rewards of Walks twelve through fifteen.

As long as everything goes smoothly, we will be implementing these adjustments during the test server update which is scheduled for the latter half of next week. Please let us know your opinions on this!

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Originally Posted by Camate

You can talk the talk, but can you walk…the Walk of Echoes? (sorry...)

• Magic scrolls geared towards level 96+ will be added to the rewards of Walks twelve through fifteen.

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Wait, wait wait, the scrolls weren't in the new walks? My brother spends almost any free moment that there seem to be people in the walks in WoE, and of course, all anyone is doing is the new walks, and I'm sure he's not the only one there trying to get the scrolls... and they aren't there?

*extreme sadface*

Mariela

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Originally Posted by Camate

You can talk the talk, but can you walk…the Walk of Echoes? (sorry...)

I have some information in regards to some positive adjustments to be made to rewards obtainable in Walk of Echoes. The development team is currently working on the below changes:

• Raising drop rate on Devious Die in Walks eight through eleven.
  *Planning to adjust the rate so that roughly half of the members that participate will be able to obtain the item.
  
• Magic scrolls geared towards level 96+ will be added to the rewards of Walks twelve through fifteen.

As long as everything goes smoothly, we will be implementing these adjustments during the test server update which is scheduled for the latter half of next week. Please let us know your opinions on this!

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Dollar short, day late.

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Originally Posted by Camate

You can talk the talk, but can you walk…the Walk of Echoes? (sorry...)

I have some information in regards to some positive adjustments to be made to rewards obtainable in Walk of Echoes. The development team is currently working on the below changes:

• Raising drop rate on Devious Die in Walks eight through eleven.
  *Planning to adjust the rate so that roughly half of the members that participate will be able to obtain the item.
  
• Magic scrolls geared towards level 96+ will be added to the rewards of Walks twelve through fifteen.

As long as everything goes smoothly, we will be implementing these adjustments during the test server update which is scheduled for the latter half of next week. Please let us know your opinions on this!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no comet foo joooo

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Originally Posted by Camate

You can talk the talk, but can you walk…the Walk of Echoes? (sorry...)

I have some information in regards to some positive adjustments to be made to rewards obtainable in Walk of Echoes. The development team is currently working on the below changes:

• Raising drop rate on Devious Die in Walks eight through eleven.
  *Planning to adjust the rate so that roughly half of the members that participate will be able to obtain the item.
  
• Magic scrolls geared towards level 96+ will be added to the rewards of Walks twelve through fifteen.

As long as everything goes smoothly, we will be implementing these adjustments during the test server update which is scheduled for the latter half of next week. Please let us know your opinions on this!

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Just so you know, not sure about any other server, but here, no one is doing 8 to 11 on the weekends during JP prime (only time anyone are really doing WoE anymore). So adding them there are like several months too late. So please consider the same/similar drop rate on these items for the 12-15 that are currently out as well. Thanks.