Staff skill and Red Mage

My friends in game have been hearing me rant on this topic for years, so here it is.
A mage that has no staff skill? Ommited? Unreasonable?

For a long while we've relied on these weapons to boost our magical ability, but what's the hard in even a low grade skill in these, our bread and butter.....

Are you planning on meleeing with staves or something?

What is Rdm going to do with staff skill? Staff weaponskills are pretty much junk for damage in the first place.

The only real advantage to giving RDM staff skill is for triggering Blue/Red WS's and thats IF SE grants us the ability to use the important ones. Besides, your swapping out staves constantly so tp build is usually non-exsistant, and most of the good staves are still subpar compared to other 2h weapons.

I suppose on the longshot chance you were tanking, using a -damage setup where you could spam Spirit Taker for MP, it might give some justification for Staff skill bearing in mind it would be a situational scenario.

Would be awesome for tanking - oh I just made myself sad.

tanking, you're kidding right? use 10% pdt sword and genbu's shield. It's easy to get 50% pdt with that, darksteel armor, umbra cape, and twilight torque. You actually can do damage with your sword and possibly even block a few hits. With stave you're doing jack, even if you were to get the WSs. And if you're tanking (blood tanking anyway) you'll probably be /war, /pld, or /blu and so you can do Sanguine (which can do a LOT of damage if you quickly macro in nuking type of armor). If you're /nin... you probably don't need to worry about pdt. Either way... as mentioned before, only reason rdm needs staff skill is for procing blu/red !!

I don't really have a problem with Red Mage having no staff skill. The only thing that really bugs me is the fact that Red Mage has magian trial for staff. Since RDM doesn't have any skill in staff I don't see the point. I would have rather seen Sword and Dagger trials for RDM. At least RDM has skill in Dagger.

... the point being that the staves destroy the previous champions and enhance RDM's best assets?

staves enhance versatility?

You do know RDM is the magic swordsman, right?

I would like staff skill on my RDM as well. And while we are at it.. Hook it up with at least a D in H2H. I don't even know why we are on these weapons without any skill. The staffs at least provide some utility even without the skill, but I don't know why new H2H weapons keep showing up with RDM on them. This isn't some outdated thing either. The new level 87 Eyra Baghnakhs have RDM on them. This still makes no sense! >.>

I have never used staff as a RDM. I personally don't care either way. I like swords and daggers and think they are very versatile. I use clubs when appropriate. I never have found my weapons to be lacking for damage, utility, or SCs. I also think shields are underrated and I love always having one.

I have no idea why RDM has the ability to use fist weapons.

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Originally Posted by JagerForrester

You do know RDM is the magic swordsman, right?

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This, a hundred times over.

RDM Does not need staff skill and i am cool with not having it even for proc. What bugs me is that redmage is left off of Homam gear and Bluemage is on it. RDM is the first and origanal Sword weilding mage yet SE fails to give it credit by omitting rdm.

Is being able to proc red/blue staff ws worth being able to hit people while charmed? ijdk fren.

eff that, i'm hoping i'm 2 or 3 shamshir upgrades away from never wearing a staff again <.<

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Are you planning on meleeing with staves or something?

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Truth. Staff skill dose not equate usery.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

eff that, i'm hoping i'm 2 or 3 shamshir upgrades away from never wearing a staff again <.<

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You have Shamshirs with (insert element here) affinity+?!

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

eff that, i'm hoping i'm 2 or 3 shamshir upgrades away from never wearing a staff again <.<

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Correct me if i'm wrong but the only Shamshir swords worth while is the Ice elemental and Dark elemental. Ice for nuking and Dark for magic accuracy. But are these better then the individual elemental staffs for nuking and enfeebling? I've been working on the Ice staff and haven't had much of an intrest in the swords except maybe the dark elemental for MP boost and mag accy.

As for having a staff skill, i feel the same as most of you... there is no need for the skill for RDM. I would like to be able to figure out why SE took us off of the Dagger trials tho. Dagger is the same skill as sword for us but we don't have access to those trials yet they put us on staff trials (which i'm greatfull for) with no skill for that weapon. Not much sense.

Oh and what about being able to be on the shield trials too? I wouldn't mind since we also have a decent shield skill as well.

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Originally Posted by Kuvo

Correct me if i'm wrong but the only Shamshir swords worth while is the Ice elemental and Dark elemental. Ice for nuking and Dark for magic accuracy. But are these better then the individual elemental staffs for nuking and enfeebling? I've been working on the Ice staff and haven't had much of an intrest in the swords except maybe the dark elemental for MP boost and mag accy.

As for having a staff skill, i feel the same as most of you... there is no need for the skill for RDM. I would like to be able to figure out why SE took us off of the Dagger trials tho. Dagger is the same skill as sword for us but we don't have access to those trials yet they put us on staff trials (which i'm greatfull for) with no skill for that weapon. Not much sense.

Oh and what about being able to be on the shield trials too? I wouldn't mind since we also have a decent shield skill as well.

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No they aren't. People here are being silly.

The Reason RDM is on the Magian Staff is because SE added all jobs (or most?) That took benefit from Multiple Elemental Staves, RDM (Nuking), WHM (Duh?), etc etc. not based on their Staff Skill, but based on the Uses that those "Elemental Affinity: " Trials gave.

in SE Eyes, it was easier to add RDM/Etc/whatever to Stave trials, than to add "Elemental Affinity: X" to all Weapons.

as of right now, no. even my fully upgraded shamshir+2 is less good than the elemental staves. but i'm also not about to do a dozen + staff trials to cover every elements acc affinity and dmg affinity.

what i was reffering to was FUTURE sword trials, i'm really hoping that i can get a shamshir to at least surpass the elemental staves. (because as i said, not doing 2 magian staffs for every element) will make life so much simpler.

i'm also, personally, much more concerned with m acc than m att. so in that respect, the shamshir+2 is already getting close to nq staves

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Originally Posted by Kuvo

As for having a staff skill, i feel the same as most of you... there is no need for the skill for RDM. I would like to be able to figure out why SE took us off of the Dagger trials tho. Dagger is the same skill as sword for us but we don't have access to those trials yet they put us on staff trials (which i'm greatfull for) with no skill for that weapon. Not much sense.

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Not to mention we've received better dagger Weapon Skills than Sword.

Chant says what

Remove RDM (and WHM) from the Magian Staves. Add Affinity Swords (and Clubs). Problem Solved.

(And letting RDM in on the Dagger trials would be nice too. Or getting native access to more Sword WS.)

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Chant says what

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I did mean naturally, as in when we reach a skill level.

Evis and Death Blossom are both quested, not sure what you're talking about. the rest of the skills learned from either skill from levels aside from Aeolian for farming are pretty forgettable.

So this topic is kinda the same as why RDM gets hand-to-hand weapons but has no actual skill... Right?

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Originally Posted by Karumac

Remove RDM (and WHM) from the Magian Staves. Add Affinity Swords (and Clubs). Problem Solved.

(And letting RDM in on the Dagger trials would be nice too. Or getting native access to more Sword WS.)

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I brought that up, But they probably threw RDM and WHM on staves because it required far less effort than to make the entire "Affinity" Trials again for multiple weapons.

Not to mention being able to dual wield affinity weapons is just asking for outcries from Blm.

It's not a huge deal, but I'm doing staff trials now on RDM and being able to hit the broad side of a treant with this staff would be nice. Even BRD gets C+, I don't think D would be out of line.

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Originally Posted by Hashmalum

It's not a huge deal, but I'm doing staff trials now on RDM and being able to hit the broad side of a treant with this staff would be nice. Even BRD gets C+, I don't think D would be out of line.

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Good point. Ya i'm not asking for a significant amount of skill in staff cause I don't plan on using it to do damage but if we can equip the weapon and have trials for it at least give us some skill with it. Along this same thinking with the shield trials. We have the skill but yet not on the shield trial.

You don't have to have the staff on the entire time LoL.

Even me, Who had just finished Abyssea Burning my RDM From 66 > 90 knew when i was doing those trials to Bring a Sword/Dagger and melee the treant down to about ~15%, Then Equip the Staff + Nuke gear and just Finish it off with a Nuke :X

Don't Melee in the staff ;x, Melee the Mobs down normally > Equip staff Nuke for kill shot.

Edit: Also RDM has like an F- Shield Skill, Theres no reason they should be on Ochain. If we're giving RDM Ochain we might as well give it to THF, WHM, and WAR.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

You don't have to have the staff on the entire time LoL.

Even me, Who had just finished Abyssea Burning my RDM From 66 > 90 knew when i was doing those trials to Bring a Sword/Dagger and melee the treant down to about ~15%, Then Equip the Staff + Nuke gear and just Finish it off with a Nuke :X

Don't Melee in the staff ;x, Melee the Mobs down normally > Equip staff Nuke for kill shot.

Edit: Also RDM has like an F- Shield Skill, Theres no reason they should be on Ochain. If we're giving RDM Ochain we might as well give it to THF, WHM, and WAR.

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I changed to BLM and -Ga'd them down. >_>

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Originally Posted by Kuvo

Good point. Ya i'm not asking for a significant amount of skill in staff cause I don't plan on using it to do damage but if we can equip the weapon and have trials for it at least give us some skill with it. Along this same thinking with the shield trials. We have the skill but yet not on the shield trial.

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Paladin is, and should always be the only one to get the shield trials, we can't even equip those style shields.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

You don't have to have the staff on the entire time LoL.

Even me, Who had just finished Abyssea Burning my RDM From 66 > 90 knew when i was doing those trials to Bring a Sword/Dagger and melee the treant down to about ~15%, Then Equip the Staff + Nuke gear and just Finish it off with a Nuke :X

Don't Melee in the staff ;x, Melee the Mobs down normally > Equip staff Nuke for kill shot.

Edit: Also RDM has like an F- Shield Skill, Theres no reason they should be on Ochain. If we're giving RDM Ochain we might as well give it to THF, WHM, and WAR.

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While I agree on the sword front, I can see peoples views on the staff skill. It is after all a Mage, a Melee Mage Yes, but a mage nevertheless. Not having skill on it is strange to say the least.

Might be strange, but it really doesn't matter.

Fine with the shield trials but while we are at it why the hell can rdm equip H2H up to level 90??? There is no reason what so ever for rdm to even want to equip H2H but we can use them... again with no skill.

The combat skills and even magic skills need to be looked at from SE. Divine magic skill for rdm with no natural divine magic to cast and we are supposed to be the best in enhancing in the game but not even set to an A in the skill.... and so on. My opinion is that if (for any job for that matter) is famed for being the best in a skill or magic they should be set at A+ rating. Like for dark knight, why are they only an A- in dark magic skill? Isn't that the purpose of a dark knight to do dark magic? but anyway this is just my opinion and the game can go on with non of these type of changes but just would be nice for the skills side of the game to make sense.

[QUOTE=Daniel_Hatcher;64701]Paladin is, and should always be the only one to get the shield trials, we can't even equip those style shields.



Then make different shields to quest not just one that only PLD can use. Not only PLD have the ability to use shields... this is along the same lines as daggers for us.

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Originally Posted by Kuvo

Fine with the shield trials but while we are at it why the hell can rdm equip H2H up to level 90??? There is no reason what so ever for rdm to even want to equip H2H but we can use them... again with no skill.

The combat skills and even magic skills need to be looked at from SE. Divine magic skill for rdm with no natural divine magic to cast and we are supposed to be the best in enhancing in the game but not even set to an A in the skill.... and so on. My opinion is that if (for any job for that matter) is famed for being the best in a skill or magic they should be set at A+ rating. Like for dark knight, why are they only an A- in dark magic skill? Isn't that the purpose of a dark knight to do dark magic? but anyway this is just my opinion and the game can go on with non of these type of changes but just would be nice for the skills side of the game to make sense.

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Well, I think its stupid RDM is on so many H2h Weapons...

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

I changed to BLM and -Ga'd them down. >_>

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I would have too >.> But i didnt' have BLM :(

While we don't 'need' it, it would be nice if rdm had a half way decent procing ability. Even with sword, we don't get HQ elemental ws's for procs, which honestly makes no sense at all seeing as they are more magical based than blu but blu gets them.

I vote yes to staff, even if I only use it for procs.