Full AF+2 set "Damage Absorb" Rate

As you can see, I've set the "Damage Absorb" into parenthesis.... Says it all.
Just aggroed 5 mandies w/o engaging and stood there watching the log.
Dear SE,,,,, why do you even bother to give us gear that is supposed to do something if it isn't?
Absorb rate was around 1-2 % (one to two percent) with the full +2 set. Didn't count it out, was too pathetic.

Really, one word: WTF?:mad:

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Originally Posted by Aphugel

Didn't count it out

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All I needed to read to realize that there is nothing of any value in this post at all.

Protip: Your "1-2%" proc rate is 5%.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

All I needed to read to realize that there is nothing of any value in this post at all.

Protip: Your "1-2%" proc rate is 5%.

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A whole page of the chatlog w/o an absorb is not 5%. Saw maybe 6-7 absorb in 5 min with 5 mob hammering at me.
So glad YOU get 5%.

A whole page of the chatlog. Wow.

I'm going to skip the rest of the biting sarcasm and just tell you straight up that your sample size is total crap and you don't seem to have a fundamental grasp of statistics. Come back with 10,000 hits, parsed and recorded, and we'll talk.

Not like the absorb rate was a secret anyway. And 5% is pretty much confirmed.

I'll chime in that even 5% kinda sucks

Not when you consider how powerful an Ochain/Almace PLD/WAR is.

Oh so since pld can get oChain and almace they shouldn't get any other boosts. that sounds great. Dumb. And 5% sucks cause most fights that's not gonna proc at all. And 1% on a piece of gear doesn't even make it a consideration when compared to other pieces. So most pld will only have 3-4% because other pieces r better. Even the 2% on some DD pieces isn't worth consideration.

This could have been plds DMg mitigation to put it on par with mnk. But it's too gimp with the low proc rate. Pld only reduces DMg while mnk avoids and deals xtra DMg. With a higher proc rate (not counting reprisal). So pld lose hate more/quicker. Course I don't have ochain so I dunno just how sweet it is. Still woulda been nice for a higher proc to totally mitigate DMg here n there and get a bonus from it. Whm would have to cure even less freeing up time to get rid of status effects quicker. U don't lose any CE on absorbs which pld has harder time getting back than DD.

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Originally Posted by Anucris

This could have been plds DMg mitigation to put it on par with mnk. But it's too gimp with the low proc rate. Pld only reduces DMg while mnk avoids and deals xtra DMg. With a higher proc rate (not counting reprisal). So pld lose hate more/quicker. Course I don't have ochain so I dunno just how sweet it is. Still woulda been nice for a higher proc to totally mitigate DMg here n there and get a bonus from it. Whm would have to cure even less freeing up time to get rid of status effects quicker. U don't lose any CE on absorbs which pld has harder time getting back than DD.

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On easy crap (abyssea/old content) not even ochain makes PLD a good replacement for MNK

Edit: The difference between a normal shield PLD and Ochain PLD is huge but in a defensive manner not offensive which is why MNK > PLD on easy crap even with Ochain.

5%, by any standard, is simply too low to be remarkable (Pre-merit THFs would understand this with Triple Attack). 10% should be the lower limit of this set bonus if Paladins are to make full use of the set. If the current value was set based on two Empyrean items, it was a most misguided decidsion.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

5%, by any standard, is simply too low to be remarkable (Pre-merit THFs would understand this with Triple Attack). 10% should be the lower limit of this set bonus if Paladins are to make full use of the set. If the current value was set based on two Empyrean items, it was a most misguided decidsion.

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Monk's set bonus, all things considered, is even lower. The set bonus is not meant to be a defining characteristic of Paladin. It is just a bonus that occasionally pops up.

What, are you also mad that Shadow Mantle has a 5% proc rate? Oh no, this rare piece of gear does not completely revolutionize the way we take damage. Obviously it is worthless.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

5%, by any standard, is simply too low to be remarkable (Pre-merit THFs would understand this with Triple Attack). 10% should be the lower limit of this set bonus if Paladins are to make full use of the set. If the current value was set based on two Empyrean items, it was a most misguided decision.

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5% is the standard rate for Empyrean set bonuses, with some being around 10% but dependent on another occurrence that actually makes them worse than 5%. The statistics on the individual pieces are the main benefit, and the set bonuses are...well...bonuses. They're designed to look very impressive and happen very rarely.

Yeah the 10% bonuses are present on Empyrean sets that need a contingent job trait to proc i.e Double Attack/Triple Attack/Conserve MP/Blood Boon etc and when you compound the percentages it's lower than 5%. The 5% pieces are usually those that are contigent on permanent statuses rather than a fickle job trait i.e Your HP%/Wyvern HP%/Pet HP%/Automaton HP%/Barspell Present.

I'm like 100% positive THF Set bonus is ~6% proc rate on triple attack procs, So realistically you have like a 1.8% or much much lower Chance for THF Set bonus to proc with 5/5 set outside Abyssea. If its 10%, I'd like to know where that testing was done, and a link to the results.

Assuming you have Merits and +2 Head (Full set derp), thats 13% Triple Attack on THF. 5% of that is what.. 0.8% or so for THF Set bonus to proc? yah. have fun with that.

Even with
Triplus
+2 head
Epona's
Raider's Earring

You're only at 20% Triple Attack, which is roughly 1% (2% if the "10%" rate is true, which is still under half of what PLD has) Chance for THF Set bonus to to proc with 5/5+2 armor.

Does it even matter? Is taking hard these days? I'm just curious why anyone cares about the proc rate on the set. Its a set BONUS, its just a Bonus to the other stats on the armor. You could have NO set bonus? 5% is better than 0%. While 10 would be nice, its not needed, and a bit unrealistic.

even so, I don't think i've ever been in a situation where the PLD Set bonus would have mattered or been life or death anyway, I think its a really nifty set bonus too, a lot better than some set bonuses (I'm looking at you MNK and NIN's)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I'm like 100% positive THF Set bonus is ~6% proc rate on triple attack procs, So realistically you have like a 1.8% or much much lower Chance for THF Set bonus to proc with 5/5 set outside Abyssea. If its 10%, I'd like to know where that testing was done, and a link to the results.

Assuming you have Merits and +2 Head (Full set derp), thats 13% Triple Attack on THF. 5% of that is what.. 0.8% or so for THF Set bonus to proc? yah. have fun with that.

Even with
Triplus
+2 head
Epona's
Raider's Earring

You're only at 20% Triple Attack, which is roughly 1% (2% if the "10%" rate is true, which is still under half of what PLD has) Chance for THF Set bonus to to proc with 5/5+2 armor.

Does it even matter? Is taking hard these days? I'm just curious why anyone cares about the proc rate on the set. Its a set BONUS, its just a Bonus to the other stats on the armor. You could have NO set bonus? 5% is better than 0%. While 10 would be nice, its not needed, and a bit unrealistic.

even so, I don't think i've ever been in a situation where the PLD Set bonus would have mattered or been life or death anyway, I think its a really nifty set bonus too, a lot better than some set bonuses (I'm looking at you MNK and NIN's)

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Nitpicking really, but Triple Attack will almost always have more chances to proc than a PLD getting hit. I don't care either way personally its a fun bonus on either job, which is what it feels like it was meant to be.

The only issue I have with set bonus stuff really is stuff like RDM's Bonus. 100% proc while Composure is up compared to the 5% proc or 5% proc of a proc sets seems unfair. But even then I don't have much of an issue because that would just lead to a nerf and not a buff.

Composure's buff with AF3 is lackluster because there are very few spells that it works with since most of RDM's enhancing spells are selfcast. So really it only works on Haste/Refresh/Regen/Phalanx II. I know those are the ones that count but it's still a shame that RDM, the highest Enhancing Skill job in the game has the fewest enhancing spells to cast on others.

WHM has Haste and Regen.

Kay.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I'm like 100% positive THF Set bonus is ~6% proc rate on triple attack procs, So realistically you have like a 1.8% or much much lower Chance for THF Set bonus to proc with 5/5 set outside Abyssea. If its 10%, I'd like to know where that testing was done, and a link to the results.

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This is very possible. I just went by a couple of really old tests (with low-ish sample sizes, so the margin of error was huge) combined with my assumption that proc rates that depend on other proc rates would be higher. That makes the most sense, right?

I forgot that this is FFXI, however, where nothing ever has to make sense. Up is down and down is an egg sandwich. Proc rates on all Empyrean armor could very well be ~6% across the board regardless of what they do or when they do it.

I'm not a main pld, but i'd have to agree 5% is pretty lousy. Maybe be 10~15% would be a little more like it. And than maybe small boost threw additional gear. Say maybe and extra 1~2% at the most.

As was mentioned before, it's supposed to be a bonus. And despite being low, it's a great effect, when it procs you're usually quite well off and can take a few seconds to breath even in a hard fight. I'm not unhappy about this.

So 1/10 or 2/30 hits I should be absorbing damage because I fulltime a gear set that takes about 6 hours of actual work to farm up?

Seriously?

All the set bonus achieves, is that as a mob readies a big tp move or spell, a whm (or 2) start to cast cure 5 to keep your HP up and... they cure you for 0, because you absorbed the damage. Nice one. If only that could happen more often!

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

All the set bonus achieves, is that as a mob readies a big tp move or spell, a whm (or 2) start to cast cure 5 to keep your HP up and... they cure you for 0, because you absorbed the damage. Nice one. If only that could happen more often!

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Reminds me of the days when I got crap on DNC for out curing a mage.

A PLD caring for dmg mitigation would have other sources of it anyway (magian sword, shield def bonus, phalanx, various accessories and armor, not to mention +1/+2 body's 2~10% dmg reduction). The set bonus is exactly that: a nice bonus that goes off every now and then. Hell at the moment, I've only got two pieces of +2 and the set bonus fires off at a decent enough rate for me as is.

I'd rather have seen a higher set proc rate (10%), and just have it negate damage rather than heal, but that's just me.

Don't overlook the fact it absorbs "any" form of damage. 5% is quite enough in my opinion.
Like mentioned in a previous post, Paladin has access to 2 very great Shields if you are a dedicated enough
of a Paladin to work on them.

No offense intended, but to request a higher activation rate from the set is making it sound as though you
are depending too much on it's bonus. As mentioned in a previous post, if you are worried about it so much,
look to invest in damage mitigation pieces to mix in with the Creed Cuirass/Cuisses, etc..

Invest in an Ochain even. It looks like alot of work, but it truely isn't.

Also as mentioned in a previous post, it is nice when it does activate...but you can't depend on that
always to kick in. At any rate, it's just a fun bonus to have when it kicks in. I really don't mind at all
that it is such a low rate of activation.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

I'm not a main pld, but i'd have to agree 5% is pretty lousy. Maybe be 10~15% would be a little more like it. And than maybe small boost threw additional gear. Say maybe and extra 1~2% at the most.

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it's nothing more than an 'oh that's nice"

Even with my little old aegis i'm not really put in a situation where i'm in terrible danger of dying, other than the occasional in over my head duo with my mule.

While the proc rate outside of Abyssea is...eh... it's still nice to have. Inside, if you absolutely must focus on survival or are low manning something (or you feel you have a somewhat incompetant healer), you can stack your full +2 set with Atma of the Aquatic Ardor, Atma of the Savior and an elemental sachet depending on what you're fighting.

I personally don't have Atma of the Savior, but just with the rest, it's very noticeable. Absorbing a Blizzaga IV off Isgebind or a Terra Wing off Dragua is nice.

If you have Almace/Ochain, this puts you into a literal Invulnerability mode as you aren't taking squat from physical attacks and you have a very fair chance to absorb whatever magic damage comes your way.

In larger groups, you can get away with damage atmas, but if you plan on low manning or solo'ing, this is a great survival set.