Remodel Of Character

I think the option of recreating a character's look should be possible, whether it can done once or multiple times would be much appreciated. Most of us that play this game have a lot accomplished and don't want to lose items, key items, missions/titles, rare/aug armor & weapons that can not be traded, over a simple remodel a of character. Games such as phantasy star universe allow you to change after being created, I don't understand after 8 years why FFXI doesn't have this option.

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Originally Posted by KanaaLuv

I think the option of recreating a character's look and/or race should be possible, whether it can done once or multiple times would be much appreciated.

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it can done once.. on character creation...

Hair changes, sure... but gender gets confusing, and race is purely for min-max reasons.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

it can done once.. on character creation...

Hair changes, sure... but gender gets confusing, and race is purely for min-max reasons.

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I know it can be once that's pretty obvious and not needed to be said. Furthermore I said and/or race. Read the rest of the post and not pick out 1 sentence to reply with.

I'd like the idea of being able to change hairstyles (we really need more of those), but changing your appearance makes absolutely no sense from a game perspective. Last I checked, Vana'diel was rather short on plastic surgeons.

A barber NPC is something I would definitely support though, along with multiple extra hairstyles for each race. There's so little customisation in the game as it is.

It could be that sufficiently high level Brown Mages could step in for plastic surgeons, wielding their endodermic powers to affect the epidermis. It'd be essentially the same as ignoring what mascara is made out of, really.

Don't you get a title for using the brown magic service 100 times or something? That would make a good prerequisite.

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Originally Posted by KanaaLuv

I know it can be once that's pretty obvious and not needed to be said. Furthermore I said and/or race. Read the rest of the post and not pick out 1 sentence to reply with.

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Rest of the post was irrelevant. You want to change from face 1A to 4B, sure. Go for it. That's pretty much a different hair style, perhaps with some tattoos thrown in the mix. But race/gender, no. Just no.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Rest of the post was irrelevant. You want to change from face 1A to 4B, sure. Go for it. That's pretty much a different hair style, perhaps with some tattoos thrown in the mix. But race/gender, no. Just no.

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Once again I said and/or and I never said anything about gender. Post has been edited because I don't have time for arguments on my idea. You've said what you had to say and so did I, done.

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Originally Posted by KanaaLuv

Once again I said and/or and I never said anything about gender. Post has been edited because I don't have time for arguments on my idea. You've said what you had to say and so did I, done.

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Female galka? Male mithra? You might not have mentioned gender, but it's implied when you mention race changes.

Do you have some mental thing going on that doesn't allow you to drop a subject? Never understood why race changes would break the game; ecspecially with abyssea. It's more than easy enough to just make a new character as that race and raise it to cap and re-collect gear in about a few weeks to a month or so. But people get attached to their specific character and I can understand that.

But I'm someone who it took 5 years to get to level cap because I simply kept getting tired of certain models and restarting (guess it's the female need to look pretty?)

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Originally Posted by Komori

Do you have some mental thing going on that doesn't allow you to drop a subject? Never understood why race changes would break the game; ecspecially with abyssea. It's more than easy enough to just make a new character as that race and raise it to cap and re-collect gear in about a few weeks to a month or so. But people get attached to their specific character and I can understand that.

But I'm someone who it took 5 years to get to level cap because I simply kept getting tired of certain models and restarting (guess it's the female need to look pretty?)

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I don't think changing your look would break the game either, and your right people get attached. Far as the gender thing goes, who can really tell who is who on FFXI. I just thought it would be cool to talk to a npc or moogle and change your face. Yes it's easy to start over but after doing so much inside and outside abyssea, no thanks on starting over. I actually got the idea from reading DRG forums even though I don't have the job myself. They asked if it would be possible to change the wyvern color and SE basically said no because of new color schemes textures etc. However to face change that stuff is already in the game. I know cosmetic changes aren't that important battle wise, however it's just something that gives a little more customization to the game.

i personally would like to change the appearance of my character. And yes, maybe even the race and gender. After looking at the same model for 5+ years, a change would nice. Not all of us have the time and energy to finish missions again, level crafting again just to get a different appearance. I can understand not allowing gender due to preexisting marriages (like I am). Still, it's not a bad idea and I would like it.

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Originally Posted by KanaaLuv

They asked if it would be possible to change the wyvern color and SE basically said no because of new color schemes textures etc. However to face change that stuff is already in the game. I know cosmetic changes aren't that important battle wise, however it's just something that gives a little more customization to the game.

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New wyverns wouldn't be a problem, but with SE creeping closer and closer to PS2 limitations, they probably want to use that room(HD/memory) to add a new enemy type, rather then a cosmetic change. A couple of different colors (8, to match the elements) would be nice, even if you'd be lucky to see two DRGs in a single zone, but alas.

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Originally Posted by Laume

i personally would like to change the appearance of my character. And yes, maybe even the race and gender. After looking at the same model for 5+ years, a change would nice. Not all of us have the time and energy to finish missions again, level crafting again just to get a different appearance. I can understand not allowing gender due to preexisting marriages (like I am). Still, it's not a bad idea and I would like it.

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Not just marriages, also open and completed quests, worn and obtained gear. So all that has to be dealt with one way or another. And then there's the time spent on implementing it that could have been used on more productive changes.
Ultimately, it would be functionality that sees almost no use, and when it does gets used it's for stat minmaxing or merely cosmetic changes.

Or to put it differently, if you could choose where the devs would focus on, new weaponskills/abilities/gear or race/gender/face change, what would you choose? And what would the other 400k players choose?

I personally don't have any grudges over my player character model, but I would like to be able to change that of the Adventuring Fellow. It shouldn't be a big deal at all.

I would not be against this for the player characters either, though, but I think it is not very likely for them to do something like it, since it might not 'feel right' from a developer's perspective.
If they wanted to, they could add a real-money fee to it... and profit, found it!

Some companies already do this actually, so it's nothing new.


As I usually mention in this sort of conversations: It could be a new 'Brygid the Stylist' quest if it were to be implemented (such as hair changes), but it could just be a simple option you select or 'buy' via the SqEX Account Management site.

Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks this idea is good. However weaponskills gear blah blah is important but come on how hard is it to add a moogle/npc for face change vs new additions to the game.

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Originally Posted by Skyver

I 100% support this. I don't care about changing race but I'd love to be able to change my hair, add facial hair, change my character's size, etc. Sick of looking like a Japanese teenager.

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Lol, hopefully the dev's will see this and reply to us.

I'd be happy if I could change to the other hair color my hairstyle is available in.

I think it would be interesting if we could make little changes such as having a two-tone hair colour, or like a change of eye colour or something. not so drastic that it would be impossible for the dev team to do, but something that makes us a little more unique... there are like 9000 mithra 6a\b faces, come on now :p

also, I think that it would be super cute if mithra had whiskers :3

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Originally Posted by whmsyrup

I think it would be interesting if we could make little changes such as having a two-tone hair colour, or like a change of eye colour or something. not so drastic that it would be impossible for the dev team to do, but something that makes us a little more unique... there are like 9000 mithra 6a\b faces, come on now :p

also, I think that it would be super cute if mithra had whiskers :3

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This is one of the reason's I want to change, when I first started the game I didn't know my face so common lol. Not that any of them I pick I would be the only 1, but I prefer to be a less common face now a days.

i would love to see that you could change your hair color and style. When I started the game i went with a hair style that, after years of looking at it i sooooo regret the choice. Had i known i would be playing this long and be here to stay for the long haul i would have choosen differently, lol.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Not just marriages, also open and completed quests, worn and obtained gear. So all that has to be dealt with one way or another. And then there's the time spent on implementing it that could have been used on more productive changes.
Ultimately, it would be functionality that sees almost no use, and when it does gets used it's for stat minmaxing or merely cosmetic changes.

Or to put it differently, if you could choose where the devs would focus on, new weaponskills/abilities/gear or race/gender/face change, what would you choose? And what would the other 400k players choose?

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Wow... you have no concept of how programming works, do you? The quests, RSE, etc that check for race, gender, level are all done on an action. I.E. talking to an NPC, changing jobs in mog house, etc. The checks aren't done continuously. If it werea, it would be very, VERY poor programming (not to mention very resource intensive to your computer even using, interrupts to check.). For example, let's say you have a way of changing your job outside the game's normal control. If you equip whm only gear and then change your job to war, without a sanity check for input (which game does have) your gear stays on. It doesn't matter to the game what gear/missions/quests/etc you have unless the program check for it as it is just a flag or bit values to it. People already said that they wouldn't mind re-doing the quests that are gender/race/etc specific. As long as the understanding is there (like how we are warned that we can lose signatures on AH'ing items.), there should be no problem. And if people don't read and miss that, well, that's too bad on them.

What would the other 400k want? They want a model change in some way, shape or form. Even if it's just a hair change. You know, something fun. You talk as if it's a zero-sum game. Either they not do this or we NEVAR GET JOB ABILITIES AGAIN!!! If that was the case, the following wouldn't have happened:
Battle system adjustments vs new limit breaks.
New Job Abilities Vs. New Items.
Expansion Vs. Existing Item Icon changes.
etc,etc,etc.

The point of the of a suggestion thread is to suggest ideas. We won't be upset if it doesn't happen. You throw suggestions at it and see what sticks. That's why it's called a suggestion, not a mandate. If we all only suggested what they already was going to do/decided they want to do, then there's no point in a suggestion thread. (ala Joseph Heller's Catch 22) There's already a few things that's happened that we didn't think they were able to do and, conversely, a few things they can't do that we thought was possible. Let's do what we're suppose to do in the creative process. Throw suggestions out and see what sticks.

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Originally Posted by Laume

Wow... you have no concept of how programming works, do you? The quests, RSE, etc that check for race, gender, level are all done on an action. I.E. talking to an NPC, changing jobs in mog house, etc. The checks aren't done continuously. If it werea, it would be very, VERY poor programming (not to mention very resource intensive to your computer even using, interrupts to check.). For example, let's say you have a way of changing your job outside the game's normal control. If you equip whm only gear and then change your job to war, without a sanity check for input (which game does have) your gear stays on. It doesn't matter to the game what gear/missions/quests/etc you have unless the program check for it as it is just a flag or bit values to it. People already said that they wouldn't mind re-doing the quests that are gender/race/etc specific. As long as the understanding is there (like how we are warned that we can lose signatures on AH'ing items.), there should be no problem. And if people don't read and miss that, well, that's too bad on them.

What would the other 400k want? They want a model change in some way, shape or form. Even if it's just a hair change. You know, something fun. You talk as if it's a zero-sum game. Either they not do this or we NEVAR GET JOB ABILITIES AGAIN!!! If that was the case, the following wouldn't have happened:
Battle system adjustments vs new limit breaks.
New Job Abilities Vs. New Items.
Expansion Vs. Existing Item Icon changes.
etc,etc,etc.

The point of the of a suggestion thread is to suggest ideas. We won't be upset if it doesn't happen. You throw suggestions at it and see what sticks. That's why it's called a suggestion, not a mandate. If we all only suggested what they already was going to do/decided they want to do, then there's no point in a suggestion thread. (ala Joseph Heller's Catch 22) There's already a few things that's happened that we didn't think they were able to do and, conversely, a few things they can't do that we thought was possible. Let's do what we're suppose to do in the creative process. Throw suggestions out and see what sticks.

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Thankyou, Preach!

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Originally Posted by Laume

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thank you. You are right. It seems like just changing the character dat files would be super easy. People already change dats so that they see different character models on their own PC. It really can't be very hard for SE to change skins on a character. If people wanted stats, quests etc. to reflect this, then It might be a little work, but just changing the aesthetics is easy.

I love this suggestion..and I still do not understand why SE still has not implemented this o.O Nearly every other MMO gives people the option to change their appearance with either potions or a plastic surgeon NPC...heck, in Aion you can even change gender lol.

Sometime Questions Unleash Answers Reason Everyone Enter Next Info X Is Sometimes Great Adventure Yet.

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Originally Posted by Lordscyon

Sometime Questions Unleash Answers Reason Everyone Enter Next Info X Is Sometimes Great Adventure Yet.

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........what

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Originally Posted by KanaaLuv

........what

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Originally Posted by Lordscyon

Sometime Questions Unleash Answers Reason Everyone Enter Next Info X Is Sometimes Great Adventure Yet.

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Not quite sure why'd he bother...

wish the devs would reply to us

this being the section for site feedback, not game feedback .. might be an issue. it would be nice if they slowly rolled out a new line of head models, so that everyone didnt look the same. it appears though, that every head is attached to a voice .dat (could be independent, could be recycled, i'm not sure) also for each new model you have to adjust all the clipping parameters so they dont look out of place with the 100 or so head armor models in the game.

say they add, 6 new faces per race. that's 84 .dats that require creation/editing (before you factor in an alternate color) so for new faces, due to the current size of the team, it'd take a ton of work. possibly requiring us to give up an entire update's worth of content for new hair styles.

as for being able to change your hairstyle to a different model, i dont see why it would be very difficult to implement this. but it seems very low on the priority list. there may be some hard code that would need to be rerouted, so it takes you back to character creation, but doesnt actually create a new char, or delete your old one.

a simple system is al we need, but this is SE. ps2 limitations/spaghetti code

We were just talking about changing to another already existing model, not creating all new character models. Ie. change from blond chick to black guy, or mithra to galka etc.

yea i did put this under the wrong section but i can't move it. maybe i can put a link to it

if you really wanna change your look you could look at do some dat editing, play around til you find a look that you like.. just throwing out an idea.

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Originally Posted by Serei

if you really wanna change your look you could look at do some dat editing, play around til you find a look that you like.. just throwing out an idea.

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only problem is i play on 360 not pc