Unique Dancer Weapon

Wouldn't it be great if Dancer had it's own unique weapon?

My suggestion would be dual battle fans.
They could be even faster than daggers, just slightly less attack power with other effects added onto them.

For some reason I'm imagining these code/skillwise as Daggers that are slashing instead of piercing as a hidden effect.

Would be cool and would give us more options for dmg type. What kind of ws or abilities would you want with them?

I would like to see hand to hand and staff boosted to B+. that would allow us to proc something that Thief can't. It would also play well into dancer theme. Would open up a lot of play style and opportunity without overpowering DNC.

I would enjoy some more h2h skill/weapon skills just to fit into the lore.

I like the concept of fans, but I imagine they would still be classified as daggers, can't see SE making a new weapon class this late in the game.

that signature is great.

I kinda like the big glaive thing that Penelo has in the DS sequel for ffxii (the revenant wings one) fans would be nifty too, and failing both of those, I'd love to see a boost to our H2H skill...dancing in battle is more of a martial arts thing irl anyway.

PS, Alkaline, that's the best sig I've ever seen lol

I never could quite figure out why SE gave DNC hand-to-hand skill at such a low rank. Also.. the NPC dancers (Well at least the ones wearing the AF since DNC NPCs don't seem to know how to actually be a DNC 99% of the time) in the campaign areas use hand-to-hand but it's next to worthless for you to use it...

As for fans, it seems like it'd be a pretty interesting thing to have, but I don't see it happening for reasons already stated above, lol.

I really really wanna see hand to hand and staff the more I think about it. Batons are perfect.

how about SE letting us use whips? it's a thought i've had floating in my head for a while. (Still would love to see them give us some throwing WS's.. but one can dream i suppose.)

im for the fan idea, i have changed my dagger looks to fans for a while now.

In FF Tactics, dancers used purses to bash enemies over the head. I for one would love to see Galka dancers with a purse!

Seriously tho, the fan is a great idea for a slashing dagger type.

so fans ( daggers ), batons ( staff ) and Glitter gloves ( Hand-to-Hand ). Get on it developers. :P

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Originally Posted by Serei

how about SE letting us use whips? it's a thought i've had floating in my head for a while. (Still would love to see them give us some throwing WS's.. but one can dream i suppose.)

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Show me dancers that regularly use whips that you don't have to be 18 or older to watch. Only then will I be on board with this idea.

Also, PS2 limitations. :D

dancer + whip

I would like fans as well, daggers that do slashing dmg. Our hth is way too low to be practical, but, skeletons laugh at our stabbing on every level.

Fans with wind base elemental damage lmao
batons with flames...

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Originally Posted by katz

Fans with wind base elemental damage lmao
batons with flames...

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because batons are for flamers? :P No, but seriously, they should boost our Hand-to-hand Skill to a usable level, add fans to the dagger section and batons to the staff section.

Thinking about it logically though, if they did this for DNC, they'd have to do it for all the other jobs. So it'd be a huge project.

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Originally Posted by Firinia

Thinking about it logically though, if they did this for DNC, they'd have to do it for all the other jobs. So it'd be a huge project.

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No they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Firinia

Thinking about it logically though, if they did this for DNC, they'd have to do it for all the other jobs. So it'd be a huge project.

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Like when they gave Blue Mage scimitars, and then they had to give new weapons to everyone? Oh wait....

I think even giving them kick attacks with a dagger would be amazing, it would seem more "Dancer" like or new dances to where you actually move unlike Fan Dance, Saber Dance, etc~ Wouldn't it be something to see a Dancer Axe kick like Shiva~ Even if it was finishing move active-

to be honest a whip will never ever happen ever. SE would have to do cloth effects to make a whip work which they will not do because this game lacks collision maps the whips would tare through the ground your character ie everything. and if they were to try with out using cloth effects they'd need to add a lot more skeletal weights to character models to make them function with fluidity which i don't foresee SE ever doing nor wanting to do.

Dancer's Mythic weapon seems kind of fan like. And it would be cool to have a unique class of weapon, it wouldn't be so bad to do, someone already meantioned scimitars for Blue Mage, and White Mage has hammers, Dragoons have lances. Can't think of anymore but they probably exist. It's not bad to add a weapon type to a job, just make the weapon and have only certain jobs equip the one of that type.

And I don't know why Jamesy but that sig makes me laugh so much.

I do believe it would be large project. Not just because of the who unique weapon thing, but because I would consider it a bit excessive to increase their abilities of hand to hand, allow the use of staves, on top of providing unique weapons of daggers and staves just for DNC. When PUP got their Hand to hand raised, it only raised the skill. No unique weapons were suddenly added for them. Same for BLU. BLU has always had its static sword skill so there was no huge change to them getting scimitars.

Don't get me wrong, I love DNC and would welcome this sort of variety to their weapon usage, but it would probably be too much to expect such a huge change for one job and then expect other jobs not to complain about it.

Making a new model of daggers, that look like fans would probably take maybe.... 5 minutes. Adding some new staves that look like batons....5 more minutes. Hand-to-Hand.... have you seen some of the wacky looking new h2h weapons monk has now?

Whips? I don't know, it might take a little more work, but seriously.... did you see all the stupid job specific animations they added just for fun without anybody asking for them? I don't think swinging a whip is any harder to program than making a ninja surf on top of a giant frog.

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Originally Posted by Sasuka88

I think even giving them kick attacks with a dagger would be amazing, it would seem more "Dancer" like or new dances to where you actually move unlike Fan Dance, Saber Dance, etc~ Wouldn't it be something to see a Dancer Axe kick like Shiva~ Even if it was finishing move active-

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Lol I've thought of this myself before... At least I'm not the only crazy one! ^^

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Making a new model of daggers, that look like fans would probably take maybe.... 5 minutes. Adding some new staves that look like batons....5 more minutes. Hand-to-Hand.... have you seen some of the wacky looking new h2h weapons monk has now?

Whips? I don't know, it might take a little more work, but seriously.... did you see all the stupid job specific animations they added just for fun without anybody asking for them? I don't think swinging a whip is any harder to program than making a ninja surf on top of a giant frog.

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did you not read anything i posted about skeletons? whips wont ever work in the game ever. se would have two options 1 making them via cloth effects and they would rip through the games walls and floors or two change and add more skeletal weights to the game to make a flowing whip which they wont do.

and fans they wont add a whole new weapon type they just wont not to mention how they are held will not look right as daggers and square enix knows that

I've not read the post so I don't know, but surely two hoops is more DNC in this game than a Whip.

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

did you not read anything i posted about skeletons? whips wont ever work in the game ever. se would have two options 1 making them via cloth effects and they would rip through the games walls and floors or two change and add more skeletal weights to the game to make a flowing whip which they wont do.

and fans they wont add a whole new weapon type they just wont not to mention how they are held will not look right as daggers and square enix knows that

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I don't even want the whips, I actually think Daniel is right about the hoops, but your seriously making it sound like its way more complicated than it is. Do you honestly think that they can't just program an animation? It wouldn't look any more broken than the animations they already have for weapons. If you don't want a new weapon, just say you don't.

Here's my thoughts; like em or not, up to yall. H2H on dnc, they either need to update and enhance, or remove entirely. Honestly IMO I don't really see where H2H fits with dnc in the first place. As far as the debate over whips go, if you think about it logically, that would actually fall more along the lines of Beastmaster. Fans would be awesome, I can even see one or two that would Augment Fan Dance (duh), or even better, allow a new weapon skill under the effects of Fan Dance while using a fan. Twin Hoops I could see happening, as dnc could use those fluidly, and wouldnt be much of a change to add such animations (just use a more continuous animation for dnc's existing JA animations, or shorter, one or the other.) Though, if they did this, may or may not require (hopefully require) a new set of weapon skills. Throwing IS the only attack skill that does not have a weapon skill set ANYWAY. Batons I could also see (sort of, reason following this comment), but if you go that indepth into it, other jobs complain, like bards wanting drums or something lol, i dunno. Also, to state my parenthesis comment on batons, the animations for weapon skills using batons just strikes me as wierd. The only fix for that would to be to add a weapon skill that fits baton style skills, since batons are considered different than traditional staves.

Just my thoughts, expand or bash as you wish.

i really REALLY like how jambiya's look, always have and always will!

i love seeing lilisette wave them around looking awesome, and i really wish twashtar and daka could be swapped around

Here's my take on the concept of combat fans for dancers, that I have thought would be very interesting and would dramatically change the job.

First and foremost, fans obviously can be dual wielded.

Second, when equipped with fans, a dancer no longer attacks. You heard me, the dancer doesn't attack.

Instead, Fan's have an extraordinarily high parry rate, and the dancer gains substantial amounts of TP on successful parries. At lower levels all the fans will have are traits like Waltz potency+, Emnitty+, tactical parry, etc etc.

But some of the higher tier, harder to obtain fans would have effects like Regain and countering.

Finally, counterattacks with fans would do substantial amounts of damage, as the fans have high damage for their "infinite" delay.

Eventually the concept of offhanding a fan as a form of psuedo combat shield becomes an option for a dancer, granting high tp gain and the ability to tank powerful enemies.

I don't think it would work well with post abyssea dancer, but back in the day it would've been a lot more viable. Nowadays dancer is less support and more DD, making these fans not as useful.

I would still totally use them!