Questions about the new ability for thf. Bully

"Adding a new ability that intimidates an enemy in proportion to the number of members in the party."

Is what it said in the Job Adjustments Manifesto, will it be like this so it can intimidate the mob up to 5-6 times or will it only be a one time deal? It would be way more useful if it like in the manifesto. Also what will the recast be like and will it work on NMs?

Come on Camate dont leave me hangin bro!

Here's what I'm guessing. Intimidation at base rate of 5% +1% for every additional member in the party, duration 1 minute, 5 minute recast timer that is shared with Sneak Attack

While Rng gets TA, Drk gets Aura steal, Dnc gets Assassin's charge, ...

Edit: Can't tell the diff between drk and drg - 1 letter!

Highly accurate on trash, 2-5 minute recast (Probably closer to 5), most NMs are immune, lasts 1-3 rounds. (Closer to 1)

Called it.

Unless it's terror it doesn't matter. The mob couldnt hit thf in the first place and if the "tank" needs intimidation to live it's a horrible tank that will die the instant that wears off.

If its a long duration, It'll be as useful as Paralyze with the right potency.

Which isn't bad, But not wtfamazing. I don't expect it to be very strong though, and it'll likely only effect the THF.

I think it can be a great ability if it works on NM's i just wanna know the recast and if it works better with more pt members. some things cant be stunned this could help also can help you live longer in VWNM yesterday i pulled hate off my pld with a 2.7k SARS and lasted with eva til he casted stonaja this could have saved me + i sub war im being open to it and hope they implement it the right way. This ability can be a big help

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Originally Posted by Smush

I think it can be a great ability if it works on NM's i just wanna know the recast and if it works better with more pt members. some things cant be stunned this could help also can help you live longer in VWNM yesterday i pulled hate pld and lasted with eva til he casted stonaja this could have saved me so im being open to it and hope the implement it the right way. This ability can be a big help

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Agreed. That's the first of my top three questions about this ability (recast and duration being the other two). I can see this ability being useful if and only if it has the ability to intimidate NMs because, really, THFs don't need this solo-ing on normal mobs. If it is not the case, then I see this ability will go the way of mug.

I don't like the idea of it being dependant on party members. I want something for once I can use solo or low man.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

I don't like the idea of it being dependant on party members. I want something for once I can use solo or low man.

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I think their idea is to get away from soloing and low-manning things though...you know this is an MMO...massively multiplayer...if you want to solo everything, I think you're lookin' in the wrong genre dude

you still would be able to use it solo just better with a party. nothing wrong with that thf is great solo already

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Originally Posted by Bubeeky

I think their idea is to get away from soloing and low-manning things though...you know this is an MMO...massively multiplayer...if you want to solo everything, I think you're lookin' in the wrong genre dude

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Problem is thf is only thf if there is a party involved. We lose most of our tools solo, and since it's the tools that define the job, in reality we are not playing thf if you are soloing. Most of us are tired of this.

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While Rng gets TA, Dragoon gets Aura steal, Dnc gets Assassin's charge, ...

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lolwut.....

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

lolwut.....

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Think he meant DRK :|

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

Will it be AoE or will it only effect the THF?

If they're thinking about it only effecting the THF, can you instead (If they need to balance it to not be AoE..) have it be "on target".

I.E You could use it on another party member? or is it more of a Debuff :X?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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This sounds like an avesome ability! I can't wait to spam it on my BST... umm, meant THF, sorry for the confusion. Can't wait to finally start shining! (you meant this JA's animation when you said THFs will be allowed to shine, when answering our job-manifesto concerns, is my guess correct?)

Now, sarcasm aside, it would be interestiing if instead of another lolConspirator ability a Bully status effect (let's say 30s duration) was being added to every person you trick attack (and stronger effect if it's a TA-weaponskill maybe?). I got nothing against bully as it is, don't get me wrong (anything that helps THF live longer is welcome), but this sounds to me like another Aura Steal flop ("too powerful to be allowed to be any good" so nerfed beyond reasoning for anything that matters).

Sounds to me that it's going to be a targeted JA (on the monster). Probably 5min recast. But if its 10min like the circle stuff.../wrists.

5min is barely useful imo. I'm tired of having so many 5min stuff tho...we have fun every 5 min then? that's how i see it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

(to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

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Yeah but we're THF. Any man or woman confident enough to try to kill you with letter openers has got to be pretty darn intimidating, no matter who you are!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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I'd prefer to see it go the way of perfect counter:

1 min recast, 30 sec duration.
100% chance to intimidate the next attack, 5% chance for it to intimidate a second time, increasing by 5% for every party member.

It would be enough to guarantee getting off utsusemi, or to intimidate a big _aga spell if you don't have someone with stun. Not to mention that it will be useful when soloing but moreso in a full party.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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The only thing that scares me about NMs is when the treasure pool is empty after we kill them.

Besides, we've fought and defeated 22 gods at this point in the game, it's hard to think that we would be quaking in our boots at some Cockatrice NM after facing down the living embodiment of complete death. Twice. :)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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k thanx for the info Camate

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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inb4 5% chance to intimidate, 30 second duration and 5 minute recast.

seconding confirmation if this is circle or single buff

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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R u a big scary monster Camate? Oh wait you are Ice Ice Baby gone bad?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty then...I did some snooping and this is what I found:

When using Bully, it's not a one time intimidate type thing. While under the effect of the ability you have the chance of intimidating for a set period of time.

Effect duration wise, since this is still in-development it has not been solidified just yet, but it will most likely be about the same duration as Conspirator.

Bully will work on NMs, but it will be a bit more difficult to intimidate them (to be fair they are huge scary monsters so...).

*Please note that this ability is still in-development and the specifics are subject to change.

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Great, so 1 minute paralyze that doesn't work well on anything you would need it on, and has a 5 minute recast... excellent

INB4: also shares a recast with conspirator so you will never use it.