dump the PS2...

i'm sure if they moved away from that and got a better engine
(not crystal tools obviously) and made it at least a little better
XI would last another couple of years and maybe add some subs.

And the evening out of Abyssea. Or release a legit expansion.
Cause Abyssea killed what XI used to be.
It's sad.


The end.

Don't just dump the PS2, upgrade to PS3.

/wave Tsukino_Kaji

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Don't just dump the PS2, upgrade to PS3.

/wave Tsukino_Kaji

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ah ha! I agree!

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Don't just dump the PS2, upgrade to PS3.

/wave Tsukino_Kaji

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Yay superfluous PS2 threads! ^^

umm not that simple.
2 you can kiss 1/2 the player base goodbye
3 even mmo on the pcs are limited to the tech it was made for.

you guys really need to put up or shut up. Learn the industry,

I'm sure someday they may look into dropping PS2 support, but atm they're hard at work on dropping the NA/EU playerbase.

Half of the playerbase still plays on ps2?

That's hard to believe, considering they don't even make hard drive ps2s anymore, which ffxi needs to run on.

what you think the japanese player base is playing on? they are mostly on consules. And ffxi was MADE for the ps2. then ported to the pc and the 360.

You know this for a fact then? Japanese players haven't upgraded to PCs at all?

My mistake then ;P

*cough*

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You know this for a fact then? Japanese players haven't upgraded to PCs at all?

My mistake then ;P

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cute. They pefer consules tbh. Though some do you PC. It is just a prefernce since most of their jobs require long hours infront of a PC. Plus their econamy isn't the greatest and most can't afford a good pc to play games with.
But even still, to dump the ps2 one would need to remake ffxi from stratch. And resell it as ffxi v2.

You know you can reply to me with out the insults. I'm only just gonna get frustrated. Really adults on these forum things are very.... odd. They act like grade school children.

No the child is the one who is so dense that she believes she is always right and covers her mistakes with post edits. When people disagree with her, they are "children".

Please help me understand this.

OMG... not another one. We probly have 2 dozen or more of these threads.

Essentially what has to happen when shooting for multi-platform compatibility, the foundation of your programming has to be restricted to the lowest level of hardware you intend to support so it will always run on all the platforms you expect to run it on.

FFXI was built in a specific environment (PS2) and has hard-coded limitations embedded in it's core to communicate with the firmware/BIOS of a PS2. That is why you need a BIOS file from a PS2 to make a PS2 emulator work--it has to be able to run the compiled code, and an x86 system cannot read that assembly language natively. This has not changed. PS2 assembly is still used in the Windows and 360 versions, they just have a "wrapper" to run that code. A large portion of that core code has remained the same as it was 10 years ago.

So essentially all you get with dropping the PS2 is a game with embedded limitations from a platform no longer officially supported that still has the same restrictions on it as if that platform was still officially supported.

Unless you are willing to go back to the drawing board and rewrite the core of the game, and recompile it for a higher level platform to take advantage of the more robust features in that environment, there is no point in just arbitrarily dropping the PS2 from the list of supported platforms. If you're gonna rebuild like that, the market would also likely compel updated assets to provide HD quality textures, text, etc. Essentially, writing a new game.... FFXI-2?

Enter FFXIV... they goofed and built it with a pc environment in mind first, only to realize later the PS3 didn't have the resources to run it properly and are having to strip it down for PS3 version.

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It is just a prefernce since most of their jobs require long hours infront of a PC. Plus their econamy isn't the greatest and most can't afford a good pc to play games with.

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Wait what? Since when does that stop people from PC gaming. More so, since when has Japan's economy been in such a state that people can't afford PC gaming? Especially a game that even a netbook can run?

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But even still, to dump the ps2 one would need to remake ffxi from stratch. And resell it as ffxi v2.

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Not really. They can still upgrade from the core code and maybe rewrite certain things, but it wouldn't require starting all over.

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Plus their econamy isn't the greatest and most can't afford a good pc to play games with.

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Well for what it's worth, you can get a PC that plays the game better than on a console, for cheaper than a console. I can't imagine PS2 parts are cheap/easy to come by since they don't make them anymore.

Though I could be wrong and they are cheap, and japan still makes JP onry PS2 hard drives.

Rosina, please show concrete evidence that Japanese players prefer consoles, thank you. Just asking since you are demanding proof of account transfer and payment problems people are having.

Oh and where did you learn that their economy isn't the greatest? Yes, they suffered a horrendous natural disaster, but in case you aren't aware of it, the Japanese are far more resourceful than you could ever imagine. Wow! They even build and export PC's........................and have running water and electricity.

Keep the game the way it is. Merge a few servers. Allow some servers for FFXI+ with updates we have been asking for.

Non-compulsory move to the new server/s. The PS2 gamers can stay where they are if they want to and so can the PC and 360 gamers. People can migrate to an updated game if they so choose.

SE already answered your requests to update XI. That answer was XIV. And though many people dont like XIV, it gives you a better understanding of the saying, "becareful what you ask for." XI isn't going to change. There won't be a version 2. The playerbase isn't big enough to support that. And with how XIV tanked, I i would think they are done taking risks ffor the time being.
Personally, I would love to see XI get a make over. But the side of me that thinks once in awhile tells me that the chances aren't good. But yeah keep making the same thread over and over and arguing over the most pointless topic.

Okie dokey, if they're not gonna dump the PS2 they need to start making PS2 disks again and make software that will support a USB/Firewire HDD that US PS2s can use.

As my signature says....

SE has slowly been remaking/re-imagining the series, they have to get to FF7 before they get back to FF11. I'd honestly they rather make a mini-series out of it before a full on remake.

It would be nice to have something for the non-MMO players out there.

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what you think the japanese player base is playing on? they are mostly on consules. And ffxi was MADE for the ps2. then ported to the pc and the 360.

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I'm pretty sure that less than 1/4 of the playerbase all over the world uses PS2 now.

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Rosina, please show concrete evidence that Japanese players prefer consoles, thank you. Just asking since you are demanding proof of account transfer and payment problems people are having.

Oh and where did you learn that their economy isn't the greatest? Yes, they suffered a horrendous natural disaster, but in case you aren't aware of it, the Japanese are far more resourceful than you could ever imagine. Wow! They even build and export PC's........................and have running water and electricity.

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japanese players. Honestky you guys are dense JP have always been more keen to consules then we are. You seem to forget japan is much different then the states and EU.

If jp are not big on consules why was ffxi made for the ps2? then released on the pc. Plus even tanaka even stated he doesn't own a pc capable of running ffxiv at home. japanese pc players are a minority compair to consule players. they actually from what I looked up work longer hours then we do.

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they actually from what I looked up work longer hours then we do.

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That is the only truth I can find from your post to be honest, everything else is pure speculation.

Fun Fact: Americans work the hardest, Japanese work the longest. Who's to say who works the best?

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I'm pretty sure that less than 1/4 of the playerbase all over the world uses PS2 now.

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maybe or maybe not. I was more or less over exxagerating. Not my fault you take what ppl say seriously I never literaly ment half but it is common that jp are console gamers while we are pc gamers.

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That is the only truth I can find from your post to be honest, everything else is pure speculation.

Fun Fact: Americans work the hardest, Japanese work the longest. Who's to say who works the best?

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acytually i do talk to the jp players. and I did look into stuff from wiki. ffxi was out for a year on the ps2 in japan then moved to pc. It was launched in ametica on pc then ps2 after. If jp were not more keen to consules ffxi soulda been made and launched on the pc first. But it wasn't. I do not speculate I use common sence. I also play ffxiv and though jp are the bigger numbers atm, it isn't as big since the ps3 wasn't launched. (game is getting better)

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acytually i do talk to the jp players. and I did look into stuff from wiki. ffxi was out for a year on the ps2 in japan then moved to pc. It was launched in ametica on pc then ps2 after. If jp were not more keen to consules ffxi soulda been made and launched on the pc first. But it wasn't. I do not speculate I use common sence. I also play ffxiv and though jp are the bigger numbers atm, it isn't as big since the ps3 wasn't launched. (game is getting better)

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But do you talk to the players now? On all servers?

Also I call you guys children for petty insult you do because I have a different opinion on things. Such as the tags. Really you guys do not need to consistently bash me for my opinions. Yet feel the need to shove yours down my throat. Learn to type with out and Insult and writing up tags to insult me then I can stop calling you children. I'm also more or less just calling out child-like behavoir that is usatisfactory for your ages. I mean really alling me dense over petty bs, or bashing me because you took something I said to literally. Jeezum crow. You guys seriously need ta stop. I can be nice if given the chance to. But you guys enjoy your pathtic taunts just to make yourself feel better. Attack the post not the poster.

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nope, but do you? how do you know otherwise either? If I'm potentialy wrong so are you :)

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nope, but do you? how do you know otherwise either? If I'm potentialy wrong so are you :)

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I remember a survey in 2009 stating that about 30% of the players use PS2.

But that was in 2009. I'm sure a lot of people have quit since then.

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nope, but do you? how do you know otherwise either? If I'm potentialy wrong so are you :)

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I do. and I can definitely say they don't use the ps2 as much as they used to by far. Japanese have greatly switched to PC gaming overtime.

I'd say maybe a third if that still use the ps2, and that most of those have a PC, they just use the ps2 because that's the version they bought forever ago.

SE already has enough outrage, I know quite a few who play on PS2 just because added security, one in particular got his account hacked after logging onto his PC version. But just think. "We're making it harder to pay for your service, OH! We're also dropping PS2, so if you don't have one you might want to go out and spend $700-$1100 on a PC so you can still play and deal with our new horrible payment options." I think even SE can see they have thoroughly pissed people off already.

Some people still play on PS2. I used to dual box on two of them! until they both broke down... gone through three in total.

SE makes Final Fantasy to make money. SE makes money off of PS2 users. Good luck convincing them to stop making money off people.

It's the 21st century. How do you have internet access and not have a PC in your house?

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Some people still play on PS2. I used to dual box on two of them! until they both broke down... gone through three in total.

SE makes Final Fantasy to make money. SE makes money off of PS2 users. Good luck convincing them to stop making money off people.

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they seem to be doing pretty well doing just that lol.

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<insert the usual distractions>
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Attack the post not the poster.

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Um... technically, they are attacking the post....it just happens to be that sometimes your posts sometimes state your opinion as if it's a fact, and doesn't post any reference to back it up. Then you try to defend it as a point of fact, again without posting any data to back it up. You were specifically asked to reference a source... and you come back with opinions.

All the while there is an undertone of something along the lines of contempt or quiet rage behind a large number of your posts, which eventually bubbles up into a blast of insulting statements where you accuse everyone else of doing what you yourself are doing. Please, go back and re-read the recent message from the moderating team in this thread...it applies to all of us (including you):

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Hello everyone,

I'd like to remind everyone to please refrain from making inappropriate tags. The same goes for inflammatory comments towards others and off topic discussions. Such language and actions are considered a violation of the forum guidelines, and can result in the termination of your account.

Thank you.

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Please, understand this is not meant as an attack, but more along the lines of an advisory kind of thing.

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SE already has enough outrage, I know quite a few who play on PS2 just because added security, one in particular got his account hacked after logging onto his PC version. But just think. "We're making it harder to pay for your service, OH! We're also dropping PS2, so if you don't have one you might want to go out and spend $700-$1100 on a PC so you can still play and deal with our new horrible payment options." I think even SE can see they have thoroughly pissed people off already.

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My netbook can play FFXI....by no means does somebody have to buy a computer that costs anything above 300 to play this game. You don't even need a dedicated graphics card to have it run.
Simply, before the Japan expert Rosina turned the thread into a whirlwind of Wikipedia facts is that
if they moved engines it would be a smart move depending how they increased subs.

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ffxi was out for a year on the ps2 in japan then moved to pc. It was launched in ametica on pc then ps2 after.

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Release date(s)
PlayStation 2
JP May 16, 2002
PC
JP November 7, 2002

A year? Someone needs to learn to count just a tiiiny bit better.

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umm not that simple.
2 you can kiss 1/2 the player base goodbye
3 even mmo on the pcs are limited to the tech it was made for.

you guys really need to put up or shut up. Learn the industry,

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what you think the japanese player base is playing on? they are mostly on consules. And ffxi was MADE for the ps2. then ported to the pc and the 360.

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cute. They pefer consules tbh. Though some do you PC. It is just a prefernce since most of their jobs require long hours infront of a PC. Plus their econamy isn't the greatest and most can't afford a good pc to play games with.
But even still, to dump the ps2 one would need to remake ffxi from stratch. And resell it as ffxi v2.

You know you can reply to me with out the insults. I'm only just gonna get frustrated. Really adults on these forum things are very.... odd. They act like grade school children.

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japanese players. Honestky you guys are dense JP have always been more keen to consules then we are. You seem to forget japan is much different then the states and EU.

If jp are not big on consules why was ffxi made for the ps2? then released on the pc. Plus even tanaka even stated he doesn't own a pc capable of running ffxiv at home. japanese pc players are a minority compair to consule players. they actually from what I looked up work longer hours then we do.

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maybe or maybe not. I was more or less over exxagerating. Not my fault you take what ppl say seriously I never literaly ment half but it is common that jp are console gamers while we are pc gamers.

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acytually i do talk to the jp players. and I did look into stuff from wiki. ffxi was out for a year on the ps2 in japan then moved to pc. It was launched in ametica on pc then ps2 after. If jp were not more keen to consules ffxi soulda been made and launched on the pc first. But it wasn't. I do not speculate I use common sence. I also play ffxiv and though jp are the bigger numbers atm, it isn't as big since the ps3 wasn't launched. (game is getting better)

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Also I call you guys children for petty insult you do because I have a different opinion on things. Such as the tags. Really you guys do not need to consistently bash me for my opinions. Yet feel the need to shove yours down my throat. Learn to type with out and Insult and writing up tags to insult me then I can stop calling you children. I'm also more or less just calling out child-like behavoir that is usatisfactory for your ages. I mean really alling me dense over petty bs, or bashing me because you took something I said to literally. Jeezum crow. You guys seriously need ta stop. I can be nice if given the chance to. But you guys enjoy your pathtic taunts just to make yourself feel better. Attack the post not the poster.

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For the love of our sanity Rosina please stop acting like a child while acting like you know what you are talking about (you clearly do not) while belittling others to then back track and say we shouldn't take you seriously and then act like the victim only to be intellectually silly some more. Just please stop, and perhaps embrace reality a little more outside of your own ideas and misnomers. We would really all appreciate it.

That being said no the PS2 will not go anywhere, and no even if it did that would not help the game in anyway. Please realize this game is not going to get the attention of WoW (with its recent graphical revamp) and such regardless of if the PS2 is a supported platform or not.