WARNING - New Players or Players thinking of coming back - Consider this first.

I have come to find out that the community in-game is not helpful or friendly one bit. They seem to be very clique oriented and will IGNORE you because you do not have 7 jobs to 90 or have not been playing for 8 years like them. Not to mention the language barrier cuts the already dwindling population of people online even further (The other half are gil farmers.)

IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STARTING BACK I RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER THIS:

You will need to solo the majority of a game NOT MEANT for soloing. You will not be able to do missions, get a subjob before level 30+ (normally lvl18), level at any respectable rate, and forget about unlocking jobs because it more than likely will not happen without paying people in-game HUGE amounts of gil (YOU WILL BE DIRT POOR) or unless you have been lucky enough to get into a linkshell but even then that promises nothing.

Its funny how a dying games community can be so shallow and cold towards new players. You would think that they would appreciate new players more since it keeps all their level 90 jobs somewhat relevant and keeps THEIR game populated. Instead its just the opposite its about who you know rather than what you know or do that makes or breaks you in this game currently and it will only get worse by the day.

If soloing a un-soloable game is your thing, play this game. If being ignored by other players because they do not know you is your thing, play this game. If playing a game where you can not unlock anything solo but a chocobo at the appropriate level is your thing, play this game. If not, I suggest you play WoW (a game you can solo if needed and can actually find a party) or even... FFXIV, which I have not played yet and with this SE game experience will more than likely not.

Ya know, I have been seeing that is far too true and that really sucks. I have been trying to get a party but have had no luck. The funny thing is that I am not the only one having issues. Maybe all the new or low level players should band together. It makes a lot more sense than trying to get the older players to join us. Maybe we should all pick a server and join up.

I want to add also that struggling new players is not a new occurrence and I don't want people thinking I am just 'whining' and bashing. I like/want to like this game and I am pretty determined to MAKE it work. Their are just glaring faults that frustrated me a bit.

@Zelke - You should come to Odin if your not heavily invested in your server yet like I am. I only have a 20 THF so the other 5 starting jobs are fair game :P. I can also help out a bit on starting gear and what-not. Also, I was in Valkrum earlier looking for help with getting my subjob items and there was only 21 people there (11 of them were 45+ x_X) and no one would help I even tried to bribe some to no avail xD.

That actually works out since I have a friend on Odin, I think. Lol also I play as a WM anyways. I think the maintenance starts soon so it will be after that. I have no attachments to my current character anyway.

Also are there a lot of people on Odin? There capped out at a little over 2000 in Asura on a good day.

I've seen it spike at 3300 but I am starting to think its predominantly Japanese since its all I see usually (which isnt a problem other than I do not speak or read it :( ) and I don't want to have to autofill everything I type. So I might go to yours instead in an hour or or when I finish getting my chocobo license.

When I see newbs "Struggling" I go & see what help they need, even for missions (well depending cause I only have Bastok Rank 10 & Windurst Rank... 4 or 5) I find helping others to be...dare I say the dreaded three letter word...fun? but 9/10 the newbs who join quit within a month because they found they are NOT playing Final Fantasy XI they are playing Abyssea XI.

I have difficulty recommending this game to friends due to how it is now :/

@Tohihroyu - Well, I'm glad someone helps :P. I think there's an ugly truth facing this game that people will not like and would rather the game be canceled than see it happen, which is there has to be FAR less servers. No one wants to hear that because they will lose their name, have to reconnect with friends, people will quit because they have to go to a new server with their level 90s (poor them), and etc. Which is understandable to not want any of that, after all the hard work and years put in but spacing their entire game population to where its only about 2k per/server kills the experience and turns the game into a chat room and does not support population growth at all. It's actually quite counter productive and will ultimately be the reason the game will die. So instead of biting the ego bullet they would rather let it sit so only 'they' can enjoy the game. Which means they would lose everything instead of just changing =/.
-Sorry for this long random reply

Well let me know what you decide and I will either add a new character on Odin or wait for you to come over to Asura lol. If the maintenance isn't now then I will be on soon.

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Well let me know what you decide and I will either add a new character on Odin or wait for you to come over to Asura lol. If the maintenance isn't now then I will be on soon.

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It costs $25 for me to switch X_X I just looked it up, I don't know why but I thought it was cheaper. It would be so much easier if you came here for me financially at least. If thats possible. I'm sorry about the late reply Zelke.

EDIT: We are going to make a LS as well :o

Well I can't transfer my character but I will gladly make a new one since its only $1 extra a month, and I like having a few characters anyways. I think if they lowered the cost a bit since its been out for a while then many more people would join up. I will go ahead and make a new one and we can start from there if that's okay.

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Well I can't transfer my character but I will gladly make a new one since its only $1 extra a month, and I like having a few characters anyways. I think if they lowered the cost a bit since its been out for a while then many more people would join up. I will go ahead and make a new one and we can start from there if that's okay.

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Fine with me, I just have items I really do not want to lose. my IGN is the same as my name on here.

Got it. Just so you know I am familiar with some aspects of the game but I am sure that there is a lot I don't know. I am sending a PO friend invite so you will know its me lol. I will let you know my character's name as soon as I make him.

Also it wouldn't let me edit the text lol.

Well as an "older" player I actually find it a little offensive how you group all servers and all players together. Not everyone is clique-ish or elitist. There are actually some of us who help others and go above and beyond. As a matter of fact I can tell you today that I PERSONALLY went and escorted someone from Korroloka Tunnel to the Eastern Altepa Telepoint crystal and then to the exp party. I even offered to help the same person fight their avatar fights for their summoner since all they had were elementals and Carbuncle. Was this anyone I met before? Did I have a hidden agenda? no. It was something I felt as a player of the game I should do to help another person who needed assistance. So before you group all of us old players together all willy nilly please think about what you are saying. Yes the dynamics of the game have changed where it is a rarity to find a traditional exp party and some people are carelessly spam leveling jobs is abyssea, is it something EVERYONE is doing, no, it isn't remember it only takes ONE person to make it NOT everyone.

Thanks ^^

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Well as an "older" player I actually find it a little offensive how you group all servers and all players together. Not everyone is clique-ish or elitist. There are actually some of us who help others and go above and beyond. As a matter of fact I can tell you today that I PERSONALLY went and escorted someone from Korroloka Tunnel to the Eastern Altepa Telepoint crystal and then to the exp party. I even offered to help the same person fight their avatar fights for their summoner since all they had were elementals and Carbuncle. Was this anyone I met before? Did I have a hidden agenda? no. It was something I felt as a player of the game I should do to help another person who needed assistance. So before you group all of us old players together all willy nilly please think about what you are saying. Yes the dynamics of the game have changed where it is a rarity to find a traditional exp party and some people are carelessly spam leveling jobs is abyssea, is it something EVERYONE is doing, no, it isn't remember it only takes ONE person to make it NOT everyone.

Thanks ^^

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Well, if your not in the group then there is no need to take offense this isn't targeted at anyone. It's a generalization of my opinion on the subject is all. I know not everyone is an elitist and what-not. This is for new players to be mentally ready if they do decide to play this game and understand that things might not go as planned or as you might look up on the internet. You have to be mentally prepared to NOT be able to do 'this' or 'that' on the exact level available sometimes and play in circles until you can solo or get help depending the situation. So please don't take offense but I feel if new players can understand that more people would stay instead of giving up. It's like stepping into a scolding shower thinking it was warm, your going to hop right out, unless your prepared ahead of time and take precautions. So please don't think I'm bashing anyone in particular it's just how the game revolves at the moment.

Also the last time I played this was when CoP was released so this is a giant learning experience for myself personally.

Personally I pick a random noob every few months, and put a lot of effort into cultivating them. Been doing it for years. My current project I found from a shout I made asking if anyone wanted one of w/e it was I was crafting for skill ups at the time.. LC straps iirc. He was level 12 at the time with no subjob. Over the past two months I've invested over a mil in gil, and 30-40 hours of my time. With that help, and his desire to learn he's off to a successful start in his ffxi career. 1 level 90 job. A solid understanding of macro's, and how his job functions.

While everyone you meet in the game will not be that helpfull there are those of us out there. Also social LS who accept new players. Don't give up hope just cause you have some bad experiences. For some of us old burnt out players grooming a newbie is one of the most rewarding activities in the entire game.

Well maybe things have been hard for yourself and some others, but from what I've experienced It's not so bad, I've been playing for less then 2 months now on my new account (Used to play about 5 years ago). And its a lot easier now to get parties then what it used to be, book burns are a very fast way to leveling up, and if you need help with missions, unlocking jobs etc, you probably just need to find the right people/linkshell to get things done, add other new players to your friends list and get things done together. And making gil shouldn't too much of a big problem, there are lots of way to get a good income starting. And check your server forums, I don't know about the Odin server but there are a few linkshells and people offering help on the Asura server. I joined a LS i found on the Asura forums and I don't think I could of found better and more helpful server with a decent amout of players on at all times of the day

This thread is just pure ignorance. (understandably I guess since Square made the game kinda unfriendly and stuff like GoV alliances are still kinda unknown about by many)

Leveling process? Do Fields of valor till you get to 15 then head to gusgen mines and team up with others doing grounds of valor in alliances. Carry on till you get to around 40-45 then goto crawlers nest where you can get to 75+ Takes less than a week, really fast and easy xp with lots of other players. No need to solo.

Help with stuff? Ask! If you need help with certain things head to the zones and shout or send some tells, people are generally busy doing stuff but if you ask nicely you will usually find someone to help. For things that take longer, well you need to try make some friends.

I hate to break it to you but almost all MMO's are like this these days, FFXI still has one of the better communities out there.

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This thread is just pure ignorance.

Leveling process? Do Fields of valor till you get to 15 then head to gusgen mines and team up with others doing grounds of valor in alliances. Carry on till you get to around 40-45 then goto crawlers nest where you can get to 75+ Takes less than a week, really fast and easy xp with lots of other players. No need to solo.

Help with stuff? Ask! If you need help with certain things head to the zones and shout or send some tells, people are generally busy doing stuff but if you ask nicely you will usually find someone to help. For things that take longer, well you need to try make some friends.

I hate to break it to you but almost all MMO's are like this these days, FFXI still has one of the better communities out there.

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Actually agree with Rune here.

Frankly, I wonder if people complaining actually remember days before Level Sync? Where you had to find 5 other people in your exact level range with less than 1 level variance in order to make a decent party, and if someone leveled up your Exp tanked and you had to find a rep? This wasn't fun, at all. it sucked and i don't fathom why people view this kind of era ending as a negative thing.

You can still party with people, You can still play with others, you can still interact as much as you could in the past (hint: Linkshells). Hell people are even back in Jeuno now so you dont need to get to Whitegate like it was a few years ago when people jumped from LJ to whitegate.

The game is a lot more solo friendly, but the Party aspects are still there if you know where to look, and to mirror what Rune said, Asking nicely goes a long way to getting help. I help just about anyone i can if I'm not busy, Always answer questions/etc.

not sure where the issue is, I've helpped new players my whole term on FFXI (to my own detriment actually, alot of stuff I needed to do has been put on hold to help others). Ask nicely, you'll get help with leveling. If you are decent, you'll get invited to a decent social shell and get to tag along on lots of stuff. But be realistic, you aren't going to get through CoP in a week as an example. annoying content is going to be ignored a fair amount of the time, and you'll just have to go when someone else chooses to, or put it together yourself. CoP took me YEARS, why would you expect it to be different for a new player? I'm just using CoP as an example, btw, it could just as easily be ToAU, or WoTG, or just about anything else.

All that being said, if you are NOT nice, get demanding, whine, whatever, you stand a good chance of getting booted from an LS and prolly make my /blist. What's more, players DO get a reputation, and you do NOT want to end up on the negative side of that, it kills chances of getting help. Nobody likes an ass, and the nice thing about a MMORPG (unlike life) is that we CAN deny an ass the opportunity to get ahead.

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In my experience this is what a lot of new players do and when they get rejected they say how bad FFXI is and how unfriendly the community is. FFXI players make up a community, treat people as you would treat people irl and be nice. Nobody has to help you and you don't deserve help just cause you are paying the monthly sub. If someone is busy and can't help you when you ask don't get annoyed just stick with it and keep asking other people, and as I said keep your tone nice, remember you are asking people to help you.

I've played this game for nearly 7 years now and I've never had serious issues getting help with anything, players are generally really nice but the way you talk to people is very important. If you're an ass people will treat you like one.

Oh and if you want help, read up on what you need help with before you ask. Don't ask people for help and expect them to know all about whatever you want help with.

wiki.ffxiclopedia.org

i have my Mentor icon always up because i WANT new players to ask me questions and for help... sadly most new players have no idea what that M next to our name means... and even worse, most people with the M just get it as some kinda fashion thing. then when a new player asks them something they just go "lolwut? goaway" unfortunately the couple people talking in here for help are not on my server, but any new players reading this on bismarck, please if you have any questions send me a /tell when i'm on. and i wont always have time to do things, feel free to also ask me to help out, i'll do my best to make time.

since most of the game now is infact abyssea, i really enjoy doing old content with new players, even if thats exping in the dunes, or fighting the 2-3 dragon

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In my experience this is what a lot of new players do and when they get rejected they say how bad FFXI is and how unfriendly the community is. FFXI players make up a community, treat people as you would treat people irl and be nice. Nobody has to help you and you don't deserve help just cause you are paying the monthly sub. If someone is busy and can't help you when you ask don't get annoyed just stick with it and keep asking other people, and as I said keep your tone nice, remember you are asking people to help you.

I've played this game for nearly 7 years now and I've never had serious issues getting help with anything, players are generally really nice but the way you talk to people is very important. If you're an ass people will treat you like one.

Oh and if you want help, read up on what you need help with before you ask. Don't ask people for help and expect them to know all about whatever you want help with.

wiki.ffxiclopedia.org

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also i second this post, i've also been around for 7 years and have seen how the way you ask things really affects the outcome (just like rl). i've had noobs come up to me, stare for a few minutes, i move they follow. so i think, maybe they don't know how to use chat? but then i get a tell saying "help me now". so i go "ok... what do you need?". and many times i get this blunt reply "i need gil, trade me 100000gil" or "i like your gear, give it to me." it sounds so outrageous it would seem like a joke but... that's just the farther side of the spectrum, ask nicely, don't talk to people like it is their duty to help you, and say thank you... again just like real life XD it is a game, but we're all real people

-gasp- So many gil farmers in a game where gil is no longer relevant! Oh no!

I have a better list suggestion:

1. /shout "I'm new to the game, may I have a linkpearl with some awesome people?" in your beginning zone. Do a /sea region to find out where the majority of the traffic is and shout in that specific zone. Or hey, /yell it now instead!
2. Most advanced jobs can be soloed. The ones that can't can be asked for help by a linkshell or a higher level friend made along your adventure.
3. Learn about GoV and level sync.
4. Learn about Abyssea.
5. Try to get to know people in the game. Make friends. Chat in parties and talk in /tells to people you find interesting.

Believe it or not I know a lot of very friendly people who are willing to help new and returning players, myself included. It's not as if we owe any of you a thing; you've never helped us achieve a single thing in this game, but the idea is that it's fun to make new friends and hopefully one day the favor will be returned.

I don't appreciate beginners who refuse to learn anything for themselves though. A lot of silly questions could be answered if the person took three minutes to look it up on wiki.

The game's lifespan is really not in as bad of shape as you think it is and we really don't need beginners to enjoy the game. Almost all of the fun is at the final level (currently 90) and it's not as if we get anything out of helping people below us.

Such a pessimistic personality is one way to dissuade higher levels from helping you achieve your goals.

All you new players, switch to Bahamut, and look me up. I'll be more then happy to help you guys along.

I completly support the TC. This is a legit problem that the Devs won't adress and players flame you for talking about. But I do have an idea to fix it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Bulliten-Board

Tunechi, I know your pain. I was on Odin, and a month ago, I jumped servers to Lakshmi. Odin is very cut throat after the merger with Ifrit, and that is why I decided to bail on Odin. Dont get me wrong, I'm a long time gamer and have been on the game since it went live with the 360. Ifrit was a very old server, and when 14 came out, all that was left as long time end game people. When we merged we saw the same thing with Odin and it became cut throat between ifrit and odin. I'm personally very happy on Lakshmi, surrounded by so many different experience people. Matter of fact I'm in a social LS that has people that are working on CoP missions (Which blew my mind after being on Ifrit and all endgamers), and people that actually level their jobs. So my suggestion to you Tunchi is if you have not invested a lot of time on your account is delete it, and pick a different server. There is several people here suggesting you to try theirs, so give them a try....Or pay the 25 bucks for the server hop.....Though I do recommend the deletion over the 25 dollars since your only level 20.

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pick a different server

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Ragnarok and Titan were the same as Phoenix. Does not help as far as I can see.

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Oh and if you want help, read up on what you need help with before you ask. Don't ask people for help and expect them to know all about whatever you want help with.

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Agreed, the info is out there. And for god's sake, get your preliminary cut-scenes and the like out of the way BEFORE you ask for my help. I'm willing to give you a little time, I don't usually want to make a day of it (outside XP or gil farming or something).

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I have come to find out that the community in-game is not helpful or friendly one bit. They seem to be very clique oriented and will IGNORE you because you do not have 7 jobs to 90 or have not been playing for 8 years like them. Not to mention the language barrier cuts the already dwindling population of people online even further (The other half are gil farmers.)

IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STARTING BACK I RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER THIS:

You will need to solo the majority of a game NOT MEANT for soloing. You will not be able to do missions, get a subjob before level 30+ (normally lvl18), level at any respectable rate, and forget about unlocking jobs because it more than likely will not happen without paying people in-game HUGE amounts of gil (YOU WILL BE DIRT POOR) or unless you have been lucky enough to get into a linkshell but even then that promises nothing.

Its funny how a dying games community can be so shallow and cold towards new players. You would think that they would appreciate new players more since it keeps all their level 90 jobs somewhat relevant and keeps THEIR game populated. Instead its just the opposite its about who you know rather than what you know or do that makes or breaks you in this game currently and it will only get worse by the day.

If soloing a un-soloable game is your thing, play this game. If being ignored by other players because they do not know you is your thing, play this game. If playing a game where you can not unlock anything solo but a chocobo at the appropriate level is your thing, play this game. If not, I suggest you play WoW (a game you can solo if needed and can actually find a party) or even... FFXIV, which I have not played yet and with this SE game experience will more than likely not.

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You have a clique style playerbase because of abyssea which destroyed the needs of recruitment due to lowman capabilities for the game after so many years. Also, most new players who shout for help get help, im unsure the direction this post is suppose to take, All it sounds like to me is that you are angry at a bad experience youve had with a random person, and you are expressing it as an entire playerbase. The lack of help has to do also with the server you are on, also the fact of if you have a linkshell or not. Most solo players who just begin this game at this point and time struggle only slightly, this game is too easy to not hit 90 and come running through the door, soloing to 30 is a simple task, all the tools have been laid to new players feet to solo if they have to, unlimited fov, grounds, double exp. Getting boss clears for abyssea is a simple task, make shout groups, join them even. On my server there a tons of new people and none of them seem to struggle whatsoever with getting past content as most all of it is soloable or there is shout groups doing it. The next point gil farmers? are you insane? With how easy gil is to get, and how crashed the market is on most servers due to this fact, how can you even point out a gil farmer as a serious part of the playerbase anymore? your ranting a 2004 sob story that no one is going to bite onto, unless they are new as well and havent grasped how easy gil is to obtain, and have grasped on how MEANINGLESS gil is now, every worth a damn piece of gear is rare/ex. A linkshell isnt the ticket to gil making, it never has been, unless you are a leader of a HNMLS back pre abyssea and you robbed your members. And seriously, drop the unsoloable game thing, this game is soloable now, it has been since the 1st lvl cap, oh a year ago? Find better friends, reach out and find a LS, and quit being an antisocial player, youll find more success i promise you.

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I completly support the TC. This is a legit problem that the Devs won't adress and players flame you for talking about.

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And seriously, drop the unsoloable game thing, this game is soloable now, it has been since the 1st lvl cap, oh a year ago? Find better friends, reach out and find a LS, and quit being an antisocial player, youll find more success i promise you.

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Thank you for proving my point.

I have to agree with Vyhakeyo. The server you are on really does make a difference. I was on Gilgamesh before it merged with Carbuncle. After the merge, the general feel of the server didn't change much, but everyone was either in an Abyssea Linkshell or doing stuff within their linkshell in Abyssea. I also moved to Lakshimi and was pleasantly surprised to find people levelling their jobs and the endgamers. The endgamers are not 'in your face' endgamers either and seem to just be well into the game for the fun. There are still some weirdos as in any community, but Lakshimi is great.
As for your 'warnings' to new players, I don't think you should generalize quite so much. I help people whenever they ask me to, so long as its not 'Hey, be my biatch for a couple of hours, will ya?' I'm trying to enjoy myself in-game too, and having to race around collecting things for a newbie who has not had the foresight to find out what he or she needs beforehand is not my idea of a pleasurable afternoon. Send me a tell saying you're stuck in a mission/quest and can't find out how to move on and I'll spend as much time as it takes getting you through it. I have also had the 'give me gil' tells and even some moron who spammed trade on me while I was levelling clothcraft. Introduce yourself, tell why you are in a fix and ask whether you have missed something. Just the other day, a player shouted for help with Nyzul and I sent him a tell with various troubleshooting solutions. He kept up the convo for as long as he needed my help and then suddenly, once he had got where he wanted to go, nothing. Ignored my tells asking whether he'd made it. I checked where he was and found him in the right place. No thanks, no acknowledgement. If I were to judge all newbies by him, I would never send a tell again. But I don't. I still send tells. I like people. I just like polite people. Call me old-fashioned.

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I have to agree with Vyhakeyo. The server you are on really does make a difference. I was on Gilgamesh before it merged with Carbuncle. After the merge, the general feel of the server didn't change much, but everyone was either in an Abyssea Linkshell or doing stuff within their linkshell in Abyssea. I also moved to Lakshimi and was pleasantly surprised to find people levelling their jobs and the endgamers. The endgamers are not 'in your face' endgamers either and seem to just be well into the game for the fun. There are still some weirdos as in any community, but Lakshimi is great.
As for your 'warnings' to new players, I don't think you should generalize quite so much. I help people whenever they ask me to, so long as its not 'Hey, be my biatch for a couple of hours, will ya?' I'm trying to enjoy myself in-game too, and having to race around collecting things for a newbie who has not had the foresight to find out what he or she needs beforehand is not my idea of a pleasurable afternoon. Send me a tell saying you're stuck in a mission/quest and can't find out how to move on and I'll spend as much time as it takes getting you through it. I have also had the 'give me gil' tells and even some moron who spammed trade on me while I was levelling clothcraft. Introduce yourself, tell why you are in a fix and ask whether you have missed something. Just the other day, a player shouted for help with Nyzul and I sent him a tell with various troubleshooting solutions. He kept up the convo for as long as he needed my help and then suddenly, once he had got where he wanted to go, nothing. Ignored my tells asking whether he'd made it. I checked where he was and found him in the right place. No thanks, no acknowledgement. If I were to judge all newbies by him, I would never send a tell again. But I don't. I still send tells. I like people. I just like polite people. Call me old-fashioned.

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^ Decent people do exist.

You're on the wrong realm, come to Leviathan. :P

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You're on the wrong realm, come to Leviathan. :P

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I agree Pipps.

I didn't think jumping servers would help. I have one character that has been on 3 worlds. They were all prety much the same. Then I found this page:

http://www.ffxiah.com/database

It could be posible that these are good server jump destinations:
Lakshmi Valefor Bismarck Cerberus Quetzalcoatl Sylph Leviathan

Do NOT come to Asura. Most of the people there are complete dumbasses. Port Jeuno is a nest full of hungry trolls waiting to pounce upon new players at the slightest need for help.

That's not saying the whole server is bad, but there are faaaaar too many people like this. I guess it's like chat roulette, there are a few nice people waiting if you don't mind wading through all the dicks to find them. XD

That being said I really enjoy helping struggling players. I don't enjoy handing them money, however. I have done that a few times and am 10M poorer than I should be. ^^;

FFXI is still accessible to new players, but they have to be motivated to actually get things done on their own rather than wait for it to be handed to them.
I'll generally help or give advice to anyone who asks for it (provided I'm not busy), but I don't enjoy holding their hand throughout the whole thing.

Even with other lvl 90 players, there's a big difference between "Can anyone help me get THF seals? I need 8 still" and "hey I'm going to kill this NM, <player1>, <player2> are you guys busy?"

This applies to newbs and veterans alike: Be direct, be motivated, don't abuse other's help all the time, use wiki or some other reference so you're not clueless about what we're doing, and 9/10 times people will help you.

I think being new at this game has always sucked. You don't have a lot of gil, you have a lot of missions to do, a lot of subjobs to level up, a lot of magic to learn and that the game doesn't tell you anything whatsoever. I thought starting over sucked because of I spent most of my time leveling up jobs with either one or two strangers (if a zone had any) until I could do more interesting stuff like missions, quests and endgame.

I personally wouldn't recommend anyone to start playing FFXI probably because of it's the greatest timesink in the world.

Bismarck has a very... large social linkshell called TalesofVesperia. Not the brightest or best players, but there are a few gems. Wizkid is extremely helpful and there's never a time I go in there and he's not helping someone. You two should quit your characters, delete them, and move to Bismarck. I'll even help you get back to where your last character left off.

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Originally Posted by Aeonk

FFXI is still accessible to new players, but they have to be motivated to actually get things done on their own

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<sarcasim>Yeah, I know lots of people who soloed G1-8, AF, Missions, Quests, etc.</sarcasim>

I don't have the words to describe how badly you need to go away.