Utsusemi: Ni- 1 million plus gil

I am a returning player after a break and while many things have improved , the price of this spell has gone to the extreme.

Do other think it acceptable to have it so high or should there be more ways to gain the scroll?

Economics, supply and demand. More people want the elusive items the price rises. I do agree however the AH inflation rate on certain things went crazy. I blame Abyssea for the speed in which any job can be raised quickly thus making a false market squeeze on items and the "I want it now" groups can farm gil like there is no tomorrow. When everyone saw BLM can make aure lights, everyone levelled BLM and the price of scrolls shot up too. Just like RL there are always going to be people who want to over charge for items its because we were all prepared to keep buying these inflated prices the price keeps rising. I say if you want it now, go farm it . I regularly do them for my Linkshell they drop quite easy. I do wonder once everyone has the NI scroll what will happen to the prices then.

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Oh as a side note Raise III currently sells for 750-800k on my server. As this spell doesnt affect me, Im not buying it at that price. Raise and Raise 2 are still reasonably priced. So if you are one of the people increasing this dont expect whm raise 3 to be applied to you when whms say they havent bought it.

Since you're returning, you probably don't know this already, but Gil is actually significantly easier to make now. 1 Million gil is about 300-400k Cruor, so if you build up a steady enough supply from EXP'ing you can convert your Cruor into money.

Method:
1) Go to Abyssea - Attohwa or any Scars zone and go to Conflux #00
2) Talk to the Resistance Sapper and take the Dominion Op, Ward Warden II
3) Talk to the Chocobo Tamer (also at #00) and buy as many Chocobo Blinkers as you can carry (200 cruor each)
4) Sell those blinkers at an NPC outside Abyssea for massive profit.

Another good Method is simply to do the BCNMs for it. They drop commonly (Well, If you do Under Observation with 3 people, 8/10 you'll see at least 1 :Ni Scroll)

I duo Royal Jelly with a friend all the time for :Ni Scrolls, Its a nice money maker and is simple, the drop rate is pretty solid and im pretty sure 2 scrolls can load at a time.

If you can't do the BCNM, Do what GG said.

Just get two friends and repeat the BCNMs a few times. In fact, I'm planning to do a few of them soon for the sole purpose of selling the scroll. In my experience, Royal Jelly is pretty easy with a RDM and any two strong DDs (war, sam, drg, etc).

Royal Jelly is easy with 2 Drgs.. I often go will another Drg and tell the 3rd person come as anything they like cos we dont actually use them.

I have a bone to pick with this whole ultra rare scroll that drop similar to NI. They should be sold at NPC shops even if ridiculous amounts. What's the most expensive NPC scroll or die? 100k? That's a lot of money. Even if there is Gil farming.
Just to have an item fluctuate the market so incredibly as this spell does is actually a hinderance, not GOOD business. The spell is lvl 37. If you want a market, then the shehei create a steady flow for crafters. Crafters stimulate the market more than a single player selling a scroll. Crafter often require farmers and "sub crafters"(lower level crafters to make the easy items freeing them up to focus on big synths). This in turn makes more and more money and item turnaround. Not to mention all the other Ninjitsu which requires multiple craft skills and items to use.

Someone selling a NI scroll isn't worried about the "market" they're most likely saving up money for personal gains in relics, mythic or other self serving items. Hence, this Gil market becomes a negative.
If scrolls or dice prices had a cap by NPC, then players would match a reasonable amount or slightly lower than NPC. As far as regular mob drops, these scrolls should drop with a low rate from mobs. Would this remove the need for BCNMs? Not necessarily, since most BCNM drops several items of value. Should players become instant millions for selling a single item? I say NO. Only high level crafts and rare gear should have a "modest" market.

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Originally Posted by Covenant

I have a bone to pick with this whole ultra rare scroll that drop similar to NI. They should be sold at NPC shops even if ridiculous amounts. What's the most expensive NPC scroll or die? 100k? That's a lot of money. Even if there is Gil farming.
Just to have an item fluctuate the market so incredibly as this spell does is actually a hinderance, not GOOD business. The spell is lvl 37. If you want a market, then the shehei create a steady flow for crafters. Crafters stimulate the market more than a single player selling a scroll. Crafter often require farmers and "sub crafters"(lower level crafters to make the easy items freeing them up to focus on big synths). This in turn makes more and more money and item turnaround. Not to mention all the other Ninjitsu which requires multiple craft skills and items to use.

Someone selling a NI scroll isn't worried about the "market" they're most likely saving up money for personal gains in relics, mythic or other self serving items. Hence, this Gil market becomes a negative.
If scrolls or dice prices had a cap by NPC, then players would match a reasonable amount or slightly lower than NPC. As far as regular mob drops, these scrolls should drop with a low rate from mobs. Would this remove the need for BCNMs? Not necessarily, since most BCNM drops several items of value. Should players become instant millions for selling a single item? I say NO. Only high level crafts and rare gear should have a "modest" market.

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Supply and demand, dude. Don't get mad at the players selling it for a million gil, get mad at what you need to do to find it. If the reward does not justify the effort, then people won't work for it. There's a simple way to fix a problem like this: Add simpler methods of obtaining the spell. That will increase supply and drive prices down.

And everyone sells things for self-interest. That's how markets work, and that is the only way they can work.

That not how supply and demand actually works. In ideal world yes, but you have market manipulations and other "tricks" that can very the price ridiculously. There the old truth that a player wanting to corner the market on items always buy items cheaper than hes selling them for and restocking AH with "new" price. He then uses a mule to "buy" the item at the prices several times "raising" the cost.

For example, NI goes anyway from 150k~800k or more. S this "normal" supply and demand. In the real world if a person was the only one selling milk and started charging 1million for it, how soon before his store would be burn down, his eyes plucked out, and his body hacked to pieces?

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Originally Posted by Covenant

That not how supply and demand actually works. In ideal world yes, but you have market manipulations and other "tricks" that can very the price ridiculously. There the old truth that a player wanting to corner the market on items always buy items cheaper than hes selling them for and restocking AH with "new" price. He then uses a mule to "buy" the item at the prices several times "raising" the cost.

For example, NI goes anyway from 150k~800k or more. S this "normal" supply and demand. In the real world if a person was the only one selling milk and started charging 1million for it, how soon before his store would be burn down, his eyes plucked out, and his body hacked to pieces?

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And in FFXI if people try charging more then people are willing to pay, stuff gets sent back to them or not bought from their bazaar, its the same thing. (cause no one is going to go kill someone for trying to sell milk for a million dollars, theyll just laugh at the persons stupidity and drink soda or something)

Perhaps the seal exchange system would help alleviate your concerns since now you can exchange seals to whichever you want you can do runs more often.

Of course then the question becomes, are you willing to trade 3x as many higher tier seals for a BCNM 40 orb? I think only those most committed to getting it via drop would go that route. Or if the person is a long time player and has more seals than he can care to use. Then again I'm unaware of whether there are any blazing circles that utilize the seals that drop in Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

And in FFXI if people try charging more then people are willing to pay, stuff gets sent back to them or not bought from their bazaar, its the same thing. (cause no one is going to go kill someone for trying to sell milk for a million dollars, theyll just laugh at the persons stupidity and drink soda or something)

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If milk was a million dollars, I would steal it for certain.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Since you're returning, you probably don't know this already, but Gil is actually significantly easier to make now. 1 Million gil is about 300-400k Cruor, so if you build up a steady enough supply from EXP'ing you can convert your Cruor into money.

Method:
1) Go to Abyssea - Attohwa or any Scars zone and go to Conflux #00
2) Talk to the Resistance Sapper and take the Dominion Op, Ward Warden II
3) Talk to the Chocobo Tamer (also at #00) and buy as many Chocobo Blinkers as you can carry (200 cruor each)
4) Sell those blinkers at an NPC outside Abyssea for massive profit.

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I'm a returning player on a new account i have some problem with this spell. Nin 47 with no utsu ni i feel a terrble noob. I never did abbyssea, so that Chocobo Blinker cost gil or i need something from that place?

How many Bseals do you have?

me? 60 +/-. I know, i can do the bc but my highest job is nin, the others are 32-. I told friend if they could help me with a run, i was thinking on doing uo. rdm or smn kitting the big, while i kite another while a blu or nin kill the other but not sure if would work.

Well, you'll probably want war40 as a sub for nin anyway, and warrior can do very well in royal jelly

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Originally Posted by vax

me? 60 +/-. I know, i can do the bc but my highest job is nin, the others are 32-. I told friend if they could help me with a run, i was thinking on doing uo. rdm or smn kitting the big, while i kite another while a blu or nin kill the other but not sure if would work.

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It's a 40 cap BCNM. Go in, buff and rest full. Have the RDM start the fight with gravity on the middle mob. You grab a smaller one and take to the side (turn your back to it and spam Ninjutsu wheel) while a BLU or another NIN solo's the 2nd and the RDM kites the big one. Kill those 2 then all 3 concentrate on the 3rd. Same strat...keep your back to it and spam the elem ninjutsu. Stay in a tight V or it will spam Breakga if one with hate gets out of range. 10 mins is normal (15 mins limit on BCNM).

Ni scroll 1.5 mil on Sylph now. and I have 400+ bst seals ^^

Maybe it isn't a very good idea to do the BCNMs as ninja when you don't have utsu ni. I still recommend going as warrior on RJ :p.