Bio III, can I has it.

Please give Bio III to Dark Knights.

It is Dark Magic.

Why does RDM, this job with terrible, lowly, sniveling, poor Dark Magic rating have Dark Magic we do not.

Please give us something, not to mention it would work out rather well with Occult Acumen + AF boots + Oneiros Rope.





It would make up for giving us such terrible category 2 merits:

Dark Seal - Well at least I can use this with all those cool Dark Magic Enfeeb. . .oh wait, I made myself sad.

Diabolic Eye - I'm terrible at my job and have no interest in gearing correctly or buying food for tough fights!

Muted Soul - What is -PDT, what is Seigan? I can has Third Eye? I sub THF now.

Desperate Blows - One out of four, if we were jumping out of an airplane you'd have a 25% chance of living, congratulations.

Bio III is a Red Mage Group 2 Merit Spell.

DRKs won't get it.

Your ability to state the obvious never amazes me.


As if they couldn't just give it to us as a scroll.

Your ability to think astounds me.

Name me one merit spell that is in scroll form.

Captain obvious, obviously you know that one doesn't exist.

That's the purpose of the thread silly.

Probably wont happen. Plus Diabolic Eye has its uses, just not with souleater. I really hope you're trolling. XP

Edit: Who knows, maybe we'll get a Job Merit Category 3 at 99, with Bio III as one of the options! I'm still guessing the other options would be better than Bio III D<

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Originally Posted by Zatias

Probably wont happen. Plus Diabolic Eye has its uses, just not with souleater. I really hope you're trolling. XP

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I pray you are.

Why would they give Bio III to DRK? BLM would have more uses than DRK.

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I pray you are.

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That statement just makes me realize this is a waste of breath. :(

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Originally Posted by Zatias

That statement just makes me realize this is a waste of breath. :(

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Truthfully.
My sarcasm detector has always been broken, and I fear it will never be repaired.

You know, you might get more people to agree with you if you don't insult them.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Why would they give Bio III to DRK? BLM would have more uses than DRK.

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It lowers attack, DRK is in the fray or for soloing this would have merit.

DRK would have much higher initial damage due to higher skill.

Occult Acumen would easily give 10-11 TP per spell, even more with Oneiros Belt in the equation. Even more if we get more tiers of it at 99.

Near instant 11-12 tp for 54 mp, sweet.

Absorb-TP not good enough?

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Originally Posted by Urteil

DRK would have much higher initial damage due to higher skill.

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The damage per tick would also be greater, did you know that? :(

No, because idiots will overwrite Dia 3 which is better assuming you had a Rdm. It's bad enough people cast Bio 2 over Dia 2; the only purpose of the spell is for DoT Kiting/Solo, Drk doesn't need it.

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Why does RDM, this job with terrible, lowly, sniveling, poor Dark Magic rating have Dark Magic we do not.

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Because dark magic is practically irrelevant except for the initial damage and it is more of an enfeeble-like spell.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

No, because idiots will overwrite Dia 3 which is better assuming you had a Rdm. It's bad enough people cast Bio 2 over Dia 2; the only purpose of the spell is for DoT Kiting/Solo, Drk doesn't need it.

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^ This.

As if we don't have enough DRKs spamming bio to skill up their dark magic skill.

Spamming Bio won't overwrite Dia II or III.

Dia < Bio < Dia II < Bio II < Dia III < Bio III

It's better to spam Bio anyway because it costs the least amount of MP and AFAIK skill ups don't come more often with higher tier spells.

DRKs don't need Bio III.

Bio III > Dia III > Bio II > Dia II > Bio > Dia
Bio III would over rule a Dia III

Edit Snap Raxiaz you beat me to it ^^
Oh wait he wasnt saying it did, he was saying other people would over write his Dia III by casting Bio III

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Originally Posted by katz

Bio III > Dia III > Bio II > Dia II > Bio > Dia
Bio III would over rule a Dia III

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I think we all know that. Thanks for the insight you have given us...oh wait, nvm.

I wasn't trying to say that it does. I'm just saying, we don't need another bio for the DRKs to spam, especially not one that would overwrite the highest tier of dia.

Why would you want a crappy spell that was only used for DoT kite soloing? Maybe I'm wrong but DRK is a crappy kite soloer compared to RDM, SCH, BLM.

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Originally Posted by Zatias

The damage per tick would also be greater, did you know that? :(

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Did you know without extra merits Bio 3 does less total dot than Bio 2? >.>

Oh how many years I have cursed at drks casting bio2........

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Did you know without extra merits Bio 3 does less total dot than Bio 2? >.>

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Indeed I did, but I was talking about his "DRK version" >.>

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Indeed I did, but I was talking about his "DRK version" >.>

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Nothing is different in the OP about Bio 3 so I assume it would be the same as Bio 3 from RDM with 1/5 Merits.

Both RDM and DRK can reach the current 291 cap so actually it won't do more damage per tick.

Regardless of these 2 points it is still a useless spell in the current game.

He wants this for PVP not PVE, I can almost guarantee that.

If that were the case with the drk spell being the same as the 1 rdm merit, then I take back all I said. Give DRK this spell, it would be too awesome to leave out.

And the 291 cap is still the cap limit? Tested and proven? I didn't know this because I never bothered with RDM Bio 3 :(

I use BIO3 more as a solo RDM because it lowers the damage of the single mob Im fighting. I use DIA 3 mainly for parties where the whole group hit mobs and benefit from it having weaker defense. I dont use TP feeding spells unless asked for in Abyssea especially on NMs. I have a DRK and cant really see me using BIO 3 in any of the above situations

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And the 291 cap is still the cap limit? Tested and proven? I didn't know this because I never bothered with RDM Bio 3 :(

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Dunno TBH I went off what is on Wiki. After I stopped soloing on RDM I dropped the merits in it.

Inc: DRKs get Bio3 instead of a real update.

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Inc: DRKs get Bio3 instead of a real update.

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And they wonder where the "emo drk" expression came from. Looking at past drk updates I don't rule it out lol.

293 isn't the cap, I think. Iirc, it never was the cap, it was just the max tier that people could hit on RDM at 75.

Anyway, Bio and Dia have always been messed up. If White Mage = Defensive magic / damage reduction and Black Magic = Offensive magic / Damage, then Bio should have been DEF down and Dia should have been Atk down. It's internally inconsistent to reverse the debuffs like that, and doesn't make sense. It would also have been awesome to have Atk down take priority.

That said, Bio III reduces Attack. You're asking for what amounts to a defensive debuff that you probably wouldn't end up casting on your Dark Knight, which makes this a troll thread. Should have thought a little and asked for a spell named "Fear" or something that inflicts brief and highly accurate Terror. It would essentially be Stun II with better screenshot potential.

Why can't we have Bio V, Dia V, Holy 2 and Banish V? They're in the .DATs man and that's just to list a few.

Maybe they are for level 99......or more likely just for the mobs to whack us with.

Are you gonna ask to be able to cast death too, as its dark magic? Or maybe that stupid aoe meteor shower spell or w/e drks could use in X-2. I think most people who play drk would much rather have it boosted to AAA melee output, rather than a few cool niche spells added.

I'm wondering when we are going to get diaga II.

It might help RDMs come back to cleave party status.

I'm kinda hoping in general they remove spells from merit categories and turn them into scroll spells. It's another one of those game mechanics that was designed for the 75 cap when they never intended to raise to begin with 5+ years ago, and now it hurts the job because it sounds more like a cop out for merits than actually making some abilities/traits that RDM, BLM, NIN, or other jobs could actually use.

I know there are a lot of things that need adjusting, and I really wish SE had looked more closely into the different things that would adversely affect the game and balance for jobs before they raised the cap. I just hope they at least plan future updates with thoughts about how greatly would the current and future mechanics be effected if they ever decide to go beyond 99, 2nd SJ, new merits, w/e.

They can't go past 99 unless they rework the game from the ground up. Hint: not gonna happen.

Second SJ would be nice but rather useless. It'd only be level 24 if it followed the 1/2 level pattern. It'd be too broken, as well, I'd think. PLD99/NIN49/WAR24 would be OP.

New merits are already planned for 99. IIRC SE stated they weren't going to be "merits" but a system for 99s was planned.

The only merits I see having a problem are the ones for mages. Merit spells particularly. But I don't see why SE won't just change them.

Merit category 2 for RDM could look like this:
Blind enhancements (effect +2, duration +15 seconds)
Dia enhancements (effect +2, duration +15 seconds)

So on and so forth.

WHM:
Protect enhancement (effect +2)
Shell enhancement (effect +2)

Already been suggested numerous times. Haven't seen a rep comment on the issue yet.

Not sure if this counts as off topic I apologise if it is but to me it makes sense to remove the spells bought by merits and use the 2nd category to boost RDMs other abilities like the RDM are asking for. More merits for melee, damage,evasion, etc to define the RDM role of non healer better and give them the opportunity to boost their other aspects of the job. This would then free up the magic scrolls for other jobs if people wanted them allocating say to BLM or WHM. I know its a bit late in the Role for this change but maybe something could be written to give RDM merits back for reallocation and automatically add the merited spells to the magic list.

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Not sure if this counts as off topic I apologise if it is but to me it makes sense to remove the spells bought by merits and use the 2nd category to boost RDMs other abilities like the RDM are asking for. More merits for melee, damage,evasion, etc to define the RDM role of non healer better and give them the opportunity to boost their other aspects of the job. This would then free up the magic scrolls for other jobs if people wanted them allocating say to BLM or WHM. I know its a bit late in the Role for this change but maybe something could be written to give RDM merits back for reallocation and automatically add the merited spells to the magic list.

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So, basically you are saying that any RDMs, BLMs, and to the extent WHMs should not have any group 2 merits but every other job can?

Kindof fair for those jobs, huh? I mean, sure, Group 2 BLM merits are kindof worthless, but some still has some merits (fighting a mob weak against Wind, you got Aero V and Tornado II before you start going to the weaker spells, and they are both ~equal in power).

All this just to give DRKs a new toy?