Poles. A Plea to FFXI Staff Before Updates.

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

I don't think polls are the answer really, they only get a snapshot of what the users here want and honestly it's not always best to implmenet stuff people want. If that were the case everyone would get full +2 and an emp by doing 3 emotes in a row.

I think the main problem they have is adding stuff that's cheap to make atm, they want us to keep playing but they don't wanna spend too much money or effort to keep it that way. Cashcow ultimate edtion mode.

Example of SE listening to the wrong people:

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Example of SE listening to the correct people:

Never happened

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I don't think polls are the answer really, they only get a snapshot of what the users here want and honestly it's not always best to implmenet stuff people want.

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This is exactly what these forums are doing and SE is using these forums as a medium to create these updates. Is what I am saying is that before they arbitrarily implement them based on these finding, they should pole it to see if they came to the correct conclusion.

Pole =/= poll. :/

And noty, no polls. If something is important enough to the majority of the players/forum users, a post about it will get enough likes to get SE's attention.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

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Your spelling is atrocious. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Example of SE listening to the wrong people:

Avatar's Favor

Example of SE listening to the correct people:

Never happened

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While the "right" people are subjective from person to person, I feel some updates most people could agree with would be:

1) Salvage Update. ("Chest" at the beginning, etc, made it generally a bit more bearable)
2) Ullikummi
3) Sky gods dropping more than 1 pop item
4) abjurations from other sources (einherjar)
5) Lowered requirement for Alexandrite (even though they didnt lower it a lot)
6) Increased Iceland Drop rates.
7) Improvements to Treasure Hunter
8) Multiple Spawns for Monster in Abyssea
9) Splitting of BP timers to BP:Rage and BP:ward
10) Skilling up from Bloodpacts
11) Last Resort duration increased
12) BP:Ward range increased
13) Sentinel update from being just Defense to a PDT
14) Addition of Blink/Stoneskin to SCH sub.

I can't think of any more right now :( but give them some credit... They listen to the right people sometimes.

I really did think this was about weapons.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

This is exactly what these forums are doing and SE is using these forums as a medium to create these updates. Is what I am saying is that before they arbitrarily implement them based on these finding, they should pole it to see if they came to the correct conclusion.

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You're delusional if you think SE only reads this forum. Ideas come from the ENTIRE community, not just the tiny slice of it that post on these forums. The majority of great ideas came from OTHER forums. Yes, even the one that everyone here believes to be the hell of ffxi. In all honesty, people like you are keeping these forums from reaching full potential.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Pole =/= poll. :/

And noty, no polls. If something is important enough to the majority of the players/forum users, a post about it will get enough likes to get SE's attention.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I'd caulk it up to laziness and the same reason why they didn't add multilples for KI NMs. Whatever that it.

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I suppose we'll just have to "caulk" it up to laziness......

If they were to use a poll, they'd do it on the official website.

That said, they wont do one as they will add what they think will work, and these forums while they can bring up ideas in some cases are for the most part the dumbest ideas ever.

Bias players being bias for their jobs alone, SE should focus on balancing jobs and that's all. As it stands they are NOT balanced, in no way shape of form.. Specifically I'm looking to you WAR, BLU (but not completely, getting there though) and especially MNK.

Well the easy formula that trumps a poll is..

Tsukino's opinion = community opinion
Everyone else's opinion = farce

lol

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

While the "right" people are subjective from person to person, I feel some updates most people could agree with would be:

1) Salvage Update. ("Chest" at the beginning, etc, made it generally a bit more bearable)
2) Ullikummi
3) Sky gods dropping more than 1 pop item
4) abjurations from other sources (einherjar)
5) Lowered requirement for Alexandrite (even though they didnt lower it a lot)
6) Increased Iceland Drop rates.
7) Improvements to Treasure Hunter
8) Multiple Spawns for Monster in Abyssea
9) Splitting of BP timers to BP:Rage and BP:ward
10) Skilling up from Bloodpacts
11) Last Resort duration increased
12) BP:Ward range increased
13) Sentinel update from being just Defense to a PDT
14) Addition of Blink/Stoneskin to SCH sub.

I can't think of any more right now :( but give them some credit... They listen to the right people sometimes.

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Pretty much of all that is "good, but not good enough" alternatively "good, but too late". They obviously didn't listen on what was said, but just caught the gist of it.

Like when we wanted lowered alexandrites, they clearly didn't share our opinion of what is reasonable. Or increased Abjuration rates from Einherjar.

And the best things like Improved Treasure Hunter, didn't happen until very recently, which means that if they did listen they postponed it 10 years, and if they didn't listen they just accidentally got it right 10 years later.

But I'll cut them some slack. 1 in a 100 updates are good. (Not counting actual update dates, but things they change)

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Originally Posted by Yarly

You're delusional if you think SE only reads this forum. Ideas come from the ENTIRE community, not just the tiny slice of it that post on these forums. The majority of great ideas came from OTHER forums. Yes, even the one that everyone here believes to be the hell of ffxi.

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You're delusional if you don't think these forums were setup to facilitate easier communication between the playerbase and the developers. To work towards a more centralized, efficient way of gathering player feedback so ideas and feedback aren't scattered like a buckshot. If you want to be heard, this should be the first place you post. People would do well to contribute rather than being a martyr for their particular slice of the community and drop all the "this idea came from here" BS that - to be perfectly blunt - is a pretty shitty attitude.

Let's not forget the sub-forums for JP/EU players too, the English forums probably aren't even half the userbase on this forum.

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In all honesty, people like you are keeping these forums from reaching full potential.

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Well, putting your money where your mouth is, and resisting the urge to post like a schoolkid would go a long way for a lot of people around here too.

It's funny coming back here after a little hiatus from the game, the most abrasive and pig headed posts seem to come from those who claim (or at least try to appear) to have the most knowledge and experience.

Edit: not that I think polls are a good idea either, let alone player poles. I do like the little choices we're getting for interface options and the like though.

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Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

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So you want SE to add more poles to the game. Great idea, my SMN needs more weapons.

Please, check your spelling. I assume you meant "poll" as in survey, not "pole" as in a long rod-type object used to hold up telephone lines or whack people with.

All the latest updates have been quite good, so I don't know what you're talking about, as far as the actual topic is concerned.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Let's not forget the sub-forums for JP/EU players too, the English forums probably aren't even half the userbase on this forum.

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On that note, we've had threads with more posts in them then the combined posts of the JP/EU forums. Not saying they lack content, just saying the NA talks a lot.

I'm sure the Devs have an IQ greater than potato and know what particular feedback to heed, and what to ignore. Polls are absolutely not necessary at all.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm sure the Devs have an IQ greater than potato and know what particular feedback to heed, and what to ignore. Polls are absolutely not necessary at all.

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Update content has proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Update content has proven otherwise.

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Because you don't like the updates? Poor you.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

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I defiantly agree to this, but I don't think ever bit of update needs to be a poll.

However Polls I think would be nice just for the community to "see" does not mean its etched in stone.

If we had polls that impacted anything, Neo Dynamis would have been positively ruined by the vast majority of this forum that still does not understand that every job in the game can trigger weaknesses there.

Once you realize how piss-poor informed your average forum-goer is, you start to take their kneejerk reactions with a massive grain of salt.

On that note, they need to do the same to the rest of dynamis.

I don't really think dreamlands need sidegrade gear dropped from arch bosses and NMs when it's currently the only place to use a glass and farm Dyna the old way.

New dyna is good because 5% of the people playing know what to do, and old dyna is good because the other 95% doesn't/can't do it anyway.

Win-Win

Polls aren't really needed. The thing is that the forums tend to be a lot of people complaining that they are not pleased with little things. I'm sorry that someone's melee SMN isn't as good as the other jobs, or that something doesn't drop enough for you. It's not necessarily that the game needs a fix, it's that people never seem to be satisfied. When we finally get everything "perfect" like folks want, people will complain because we'll have everything with 90-100% drop rates, we'll have our uber-epic weapons done within an hour, and then we'll be out of stuff to do and they'll complain that they want new stuff despite not knowing how much work has to be put into it.

Yes, this is a bit of an extremist reaction that people could have, but I've learned that most of the outspoken folks fall under the extremist category.

tl;dr: Polls {No Thanks}.

I want a pole update. WAR can't wield any of the great new polearms released. I miss putting my B skill to semi-good use.

The majority of people are wrong. In fact, we're all wrong ultimately, but that's a philosophical discussion for another time. More to the point: the vast majority of people who vote would wind up voting in favor of something which would completely unbalance the game and alienate reasonable players one by one. They might even wind up voting for something they later regret (Oh wait, this actually makes things too hard/easy). The primary shortcoming of a true democracy is that most people are stupid, misguided, or too easily swayed by unimportant things such as emotion.

SE has made many mistakes in the history of the game, but they've done a better job than a majority of the forum hounds here would have done in their place (MAKE MY FAVORITE JOB STRONGER THAN THE OTHERS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL roflcopter away)

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

In fact, we're all wrong ultimately, but that's a philosophical discussion for another time.

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Technically it's a statistical discussion, since philosophically nothing restricts us from being right. Whether we know if we're right or not, or whether we even can know or not, those are philosophical discussions.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

The primary shortcoming of a true democracy is that most people are stupid, misguided, or too easily swayed by unimportant things such as emotion.

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Or by pretty colors and sounds. It's why policitians spend tons on their designer/musician teams for marketing campaigns. Imo all political information should be presented on a text-only form on a website, with no advertising whatsoever. Or not visible to the person at all, only read to you by Microsoft Sam.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Or by pretty colors and sounds. It's why policitians spend tons on their designer/musician teams for marketing campaigns. Imo all political information should be presented on a text-only form on a website, with no advertising whatsoever. Or not visible to the person at all, only read to you by Microsoft Sam.

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But Microsoft Sam is hilarious, or so he says.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

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Edited for spelling: farce, response, polls, also chalk and multiples in another of your posts. No apology, poor spelling and grammar drive me up a pole.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

But Microsoft Sam is hilarious, or so he says.

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But then all politically parties would be equally hilarious. Or at least their propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

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Instead of polls they look at the # of likes a particular thread gets. Judging on certain ideas that players agree on, they then take into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

While the "right" people are subjective from person to person, I feel some updates most people could agree with would be:

1) Salvage Update. ("Chest" at the beginning, etc, made it generally a bit more bearable)
2) Ullikummi
3) Sky gods dropping more than 1 pop item
4) abjurations from other sources (einherjar)
5) Lowered requirement for Alexandrite (even though they didnt lower it a lot)
6) Increased Iceland Drop rates.
7) Improvements to Treasure Hunter
8) Multiple Spawns for Monster in Abyssea
9) Splitting of BP timers to BP:Rage and BP:ward
10) Skilling up from Bloodpacts
11) Last Resort duration increased
12) BP:Ward range increased
13) Sentinel update from being just Defense to a PDT
14) Addition of Blink/Stoneskin to SCH sub.

I can't think of any more right now :( but give them some credit... They listen to the right people sometimes.

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Raising the amount of plates you can trade in for Zeni to more then 10 a day is something that they should have fixed also. 10 per game day is just too stupid now.