Daily Dynamis Suggestion

Hello

I am enjoying the new Dynamis which gives everybody a quick and easy way to unlock Relic +3. However, it is a little frustrating that a single person can grab the W1 boss and hold it. I went in with 10 minutes left in Bastok today and went for the W1 boss only to find a solo player struggling with it at 90%. They ignored my invitation to work together and we timed out. I think it would be much more in line with the spirit of the new Dynamis zones to make at least the W1 engageable by anybody in zone and so long as you hit the boss and it dies, you get credit for your Relic +3. This may be a pipe dream but it seems like it would be more interesting. Thank you for your time.

Velner

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Originally Posted by Velner

Hello

I am enjoying the new Dynamis which gives everybody a quick and easy way to unlock Relic +3. However, it is a little frustrating that a single person can grab the W1 boss and hold it. I went in with 10 minutes left in Bastok today and went for the W1 boss only to find a solo player struggling with it at 90%. They ignored my invitation to work together and we timed out. I think it would be much more in line with the spirit of the new Dynamis zones to make at least the W1 engageable by anybody in zone and so long as you hit the boss and it dies, you get credit for your Relic +3. This may be a pipe dream but it seems like it would be more interesting. Thank you for your time.

Velner

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Going in late in the time window could be seen as leeching, so I wouldn't really reccomend doing this. You should really always join at the beginning of a time window, I really can't blame someone for not wanting to let someone help them when they weren't there for most of it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Going in late in the time window could be seen as leeching, so I wouldn't really reccomend doing this. You should really always join at the beginning of a time window, I really can't blame someone for not wanting to let someone help them when they weren't there for most of it.

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I am very clearly advocating for a system that allows people to "leech" so I don't understand your point lol. We checked to see if the W1 boss was still up and came prepared to kill it which isn't leeching. And the solo player holding the W1 boss FAILED, which means they would have "leeched" off of us! The alternative is we go in right at the start and end W1 within 5 minutes. . . that's not great for solo players trying to farm. And nobody cares about "leeching." It's a stupid concept to worry about. Let's all crank together.

I don't see a reason to not give everyone in zone who has killed something in zone credit when wave 1 boss is killed for their relic+3 unlock since they can no longer kill mobs during the rest of the run to get their 100 enemies either and ANYONE could just go straight for wave 1 boss screwing them over.

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I am very clearly advocating for a system that allows people to "leech"

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And I am very advocating for NOT having a system that allows people to leech :) Why should you be rewarded for someone else's work that you didn't contribute to? Yes, it already happens in various things in the game but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Voidstorm

I don't see a reason to not give everyone in zone who has killed something in zone credit when wave 1 boss is killed for their relic+3 unlock since they can no longer kill mobs during the rest of the run to get their 100 enemies either and ANYONE could just go straight for wave 1 boss screwing them over.

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There should be minimum participation time requirements for it to count. Otherwise, you can just sit outside the zone and pop in to be rewarded.

The main reason we got something like this instead of just lowering the minimum participation requirements is so that a very small number of poeple (or potentially bots) couldn't hog the normal Dyna D zones and prevent other people from doing it at all. But I don't feel like what we got was very well thought out, precisely because of your counterpoints.

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And nobody cares about "leeching." It's a stupid concept to worry about. Let's all crank together.

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Well if the current world situation has taught me anything is that integrity doesn't mean much anymore. But I can't accept the "we may as well just go all the way into the pit" logic/mentality.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There should be minimum participation time requirements for it to count. Otherwise, you can just sit outside the zone and pop in to be rewarded.

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No you can't. The W1 boss can be engaged and killed at any time. If you're outside "waiting" you could very easily miss the opportunity. Have you even done this content yet because your point doesn't really line up with how it works. Even your initial post that going in late looks like leeching makes no sense because it's all individual credit. . . leeching off of what? Lol

I guess my actual suggestion would be to make the wave 1 boss have global draw in for everyone in the zone and be a world spawn so everyone can fight it.

This way everyone who was in zone gets credit for wave 1's clear, but they may die in the process. Leeches who can't at least keep themselves alive get KOd in exchange.

Shortly after release, an LS mate entered daily divergence like 10 minutes late... and died to wave 2 spawns which he zoned on top of. it's rediculous that SE didn't plan for people entering the zone during wave 2. At least move the spawn point of either the player or the wave 2 statue somewhere else.

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No you can't. The W1 boss can be engaged and killed at any time. If you're outside "waiting" you could very easily miss the opportunity.

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Maybe you never thought of this, but all you have to do is talk with someone inside lol. Someone you know, someone who just happens to be happy to answer questions about the progress of the run, etc.

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Even your initial post that going in late looks like leeching makes no sense because it's all individual credit. . . leeching off of what?

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Leeching off the work of others. Unless you're telling me that if you joined their party that late you wouldn't get credit for the w1/2 boss kill. Leeching means gaining from someone else doing all the work. Unless I'm mistaken, anyone can enter at any time during an entry window. So what's to stop you from killing a boss for someone and inviting them just before it dies?

The poster above has a semi-reasonable (and also potentially kind of funny) solution.

Let me understand this. . . you are concerned that people will leech so it would not be appropriate to make the W1 boss a World Boss such that anybody who chooses to participate would get credit. But making it so everybody gets drawn in and gets credit regardless of participation, in your mind, removes the issue with leeching? But what if I communicate with my insiders and only come in right at the end!? I'd be a LEECH!! You are not a serious person, sir. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Velner

Let me understand this. . . you are concerned that people will leech so it would not be appropriate to make the W1 boss a World Boss such that anybody who chooses to participate would get credit. But making it so everybody gets drawn in and gets credit regardless of participation, in your mind, removes the issue with leeching? But what if I communicate with my insiders and only come in right at the end!? I'd be a LEECH!! You are not a serious person, sir. Lol.

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Well the idea the poster above suggested creates a risk for attempting to do so. If you're not just for sure getting a free boss kill by entering while it's up, then that's fine. Sucking them in forces them to participate or potentially get rekt. So while it's not my *ideal* solution, I like it better than anything anyone else has said.

You need to stop thinking in black and white. I'm a very serious person (but I can also see the humor in the suggestion I cited.... :) ) and there was a clear logic to my comments. If you can't see it, I'm sorry.

Basically, I'd rather it not be (easily) possible at all, but realistically you can't prevent it entirely without the reservation system. So adding an element of risk to trying to game the system is not a bad solution to me. I know that if there's a way, people like you will find a way to avoid doing the work while getting the credit. So if it can't be prevented, we can at least make it harder to get away with.