Magian Moogle issues

How come relic/ mythic weapons where toned down so much while there is trails that are still killing 700 of one mob?

relic/mythic used to have the most, now there are normal trails that have almost twice the amount, why is this?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Great_Katana_Trials

SE's twisted way of "balance".... you have to make the relic first, versus you just walk up to a chest once you get the required level to obtain the base magian weapon. So, one is easier to get but harder to complete magian, the other is harder to get but easier to complete magian... I guess.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

SE's twisted way of "balance".... you have to make the relic first, versus you just walk up to a chest once you get the required level to obtain the base magian weapon. So, one is easier to get but harder to complete magian, the other is harder to get but easier to complete magian... I guess.

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this may be a selfish motive but let me explain.

I want to try the occ 2-4 time GKT vs soboro on a names arrow build for sam. I can get a 5 hit on both. So on a 4 hit proc I would have 100 tp in one round. At first i read the chart wrong and thought I had to do all those small drop things. now i see this 400 Plantoids > Trial 653: 300 Ladybugs > Kurodachi Trial 655: 500 Beast > Trial 656: 600 Aquan > Trial 657: 400 Gnats> Trial 1559: 600 Demons > Trial 1560: 450 Qiqirn> Trial 2120: 700 Aquans> and unlisted one is 700 birds.

Something that is most likely barley better then soboro and killing all these mobs? Common I rather do relic trial again. esp with these mob types. (600 demons vs 400 crabs? -.-)

then I also see some of the ws trails that could be upwords to 800 ws on one mob type, I thought it could be toned down.

what makes things worse is after i posted this I tried to make a party and I got only one person that would join me. People wont level off mandies anymore? so yeah people don't even do these anymore for team up, no way in hell i want to kill all those mobs solo

at least you don't have to rely on day/weather, status effect, or elemental damage requirement. Three words: Abyssea, Fell Cleave. As for mandies... lol. We slaughter them by the hundreds in attowha and thorangi when we run a fell cleave, even if you don't want to go that route--there's like 30 or so pop spots in boyhada tree that are EP or DC at the most. Just remember they went done pretty quick when I was doing trial there -- befrore hitting 90.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

at least you don't have to rely on day/weather, status effect, or elemental damage requirement. Three words: Abyssea, Fell Cleave. As for mandies... lol. We slaughter them by the hundreds in attowha and thorangi when we run a fell cleave, even if you don't want to go that route--there's like 30 or so pop spots in boyhada tree that are EP or DC at the most. Just remember they went done pretty quick when I was doing trial there -- befrore hitting 90.

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yeah well who invites a sam for that? i got my plantod killer done cuz a friend saw me shouting.

did not think a sam and a brd/whm could keep tes up, we almost timed out actally because tes stopped comming then i saw a random blu to kill more things and found te chests again.

i rather have the day stuff, play for 1 hr and thats it

and when i did my earth sword people where actally doing trails -.-

when they lowered other trails they should of looked at thesed too i think they forgot -.-

after the WAR, RDM, and someone dedicate to azure kills... rest of the party members don't matter in a fell cleave. People don't get picked up for a fell cleave specifically for their joba past those 3 slots really--people typically ask to join them, or they are set up amongst friends (ie, LS event). Did that a few weeks ago for a friend doing diremites for wind day/weather. Her husband was on SCH, I got on WAR, she was on THF IIRC--went to aby uly and slaughtered mites for trial on windsday. Wasn't a tru fell cleave, but we were taking them on 3 and 4 at a time easy.

Point is... abyssea provides an easier way to kill them than just soloing them one on one--which is pretty much how I did most all of my 25 or so weapons (solo that is, not in aby groups)--4 of which were the store tp lines.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

after the WAR, RDM, and someone dedicate to azure kills... rest of the party members don't matter in a fell cleave. People don't get picked up for a fell cleave specifically for their joba past those 3 slots really--people typically ask to join them, or they are set up amongst friends (ie, LS event). Did that a few weeks ago for a friend doing diremites for wind day/weather. Her husband was on SCH, I got on WAR, she was on THF IIRC--went to aby uly and slaughtered mites for trial on windsday. Wasn't a tru fell cleave, but we were taking them on 3 and 4 at a time easy.

Point is... abyssea provides an easier way to kill them than just soloing them one on one--which is pretty much how I did most all of my 25 or so weapons (solo that is, not in aby groups)--4 of which were the store tp lines.

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I know abyssea offers I shouted for 2 days before dueling with my friend.

I even have sea com looking for party, no good.

now i am on ladybugs, the moogle told me i need to kill 300 "ladybug family, HOW do you have a family of one mob????

I am a bit shocked on how hard it is to get a party going for these vs when they where new. I understand people had it worse esp some relic/mythic trails with past kill count, like drk needing to kill undead mobs, can’t drain and such. I do not want to sound like Qqing but I do not get why there is such large numbers since relic/mythic trails got a much lower count change.

the thing is I am sure this GKT i am trying to do may not be smart but I try to ask other people on proc rates of them and never really got an answer so I am just going to do it my self and hope the future trails don't make it suck as bad. Not like they are gonna buff sarbobo but this weapon I am sure is going to have trails to make it stronger.

the trail i see having be most pain in the ass is the demon one, I will be using a D41 occ twice on that trail ( so sucky weapon for a hard trail from the looks of things). the other issue with that one specifically is who farms demons????! so getting people would be hard. it is not a common trail mob as fas as i know.

Sorry, but you can't run around claiming cleaves the solution to everyone's problems. Working on my DA% sword, I came upon people cleaving chigoes when I needed vermin. I asked to join them, they refused. Fast forward to needing plantoids on my scythe, see a group at mandies, they refuse. Me being there would not have hurt their gains, but on the other hand, dragging people around to do it just because you need it likely isn't rewarding to the cleaver/puller/healers, especially if they're already capped on merits.

Frankly, no straight up grind kill spree should exceed 300. The average person will likely be looking at a minute per kill and pull solo. Put simply, the requirements on a lot of these trials are over-valued for the end product. The only real justification for it was to give people "something to do" between updates, even if they loathed the process. I dunno, I'd rather go through 20 short phases for a weapon than 10 long ones. You'll likely be fighting different things, going to different areas, getting different loot, more than likely coming upon people who WILL invite you, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Seriha

Sorry, but you can't run around claiming cleaves the solution to everyone's problems. Working on my DA% sword, I came upon people cleaving chigoes when I needed vermin. I asked to join them, they refused. Fast forward to needing plantoids on my scythe, see a group at mandies, they refuse. Me being there would not have hurt their gains, but on the other hand, dragging people around to do it just because you need it likely isn't rewarding to the cleaver/puller/healers, especially if they're already capped on merits.

Frankly, no straight up grind kill spree should exceed 300. The average person will likely be looking at a minute per kill and pull solo. Put simply, the requirements on a lot of these trials are over-valued for the end product. The only real justification for it was to give people "something to do" between updates, even if they loathed the process. I dunno, I'd rather go through 20 short phases for a weapon than 10 long ones. You'll likely be fighting different things, going to different areas, getting different loot, more than likely coming upon people who WILL invite you, and so on.

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basically my point ya, Hi i am a sam on a weapon trail can i join your cleave pt? gtfo leech -.-

and i would love to know where people cleave demons

I'm doing spiders for an earth trial... I noticed that only one spot has an ep + spider with dark aligned weather consistently... Oddly there is only one spawn that i can get to in quicksand caves solo -.- i wish they'd get rid of the weight on the doors there -.- I think something that could fix this issue is adding weather to Moblin Maze Monger mazes, it has the added effect of rejuvenate the instance, though as read in other threads they'd need to buff relics at least if they added this.