To the posters of this fourm, understand constructive criticism

I do not want SE to ingore these boards because people treat this place like alla, BG or whatever. I cannot stress enough we are loosing our way in constructive criticism. You can disagree with someone’s point, but DO NOT, DO NOT play this:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...al-attack.html

while trying to pad your creditably. It does not help anything but makes us look bad to SE/REPs.

I am very disgusted in how people acted in this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...arn-about-FFXI.

I do not care if you think krystal compains to much or makes posts/topics you disagree with. Say your objection, explain why you disagree with it and move on. People/SE reading these things do not need to hear your personal quall with the person.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ut-FFXI./page7

Look at the words I used. I think I made it really clear I was disgusted with how people where posting ,(without actually saying it), and made my comments and objections to her like " SE is posting and trying to fix up FFXIV more because it is in such ruin".

I stated my views without attaching her, why can't you?

I think you'll have more success using the hyperlink button. All your links tend to just be "..."ed into oblivion.

Yeah I was fixing it, is it ok now? my veiw clear and such?

The world is not a vacuum. Everyone should know as soon as they post that someone is likely going to disagree with them. In most cases, a LOT of people will disagree with you. She certainly did, and she made them feel unwelcome with her first post. That's destructive, not constructive.

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I stated my views without attaching her, why can't you?

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Because it doesn't work.

It's not as easy as you make it out to be, Rambus. There's disagreeing, which Krystal certainly did enough of, and then there's the stubborn-backed shouting and calling out of people who disagree with you, which she did more of. Krystal's comments, despite any "good intentions", had terrible means with which to convey her thoughts.

The reason she inevitably gets trolled (and not by me... I only recently started posting and simply refuted her points rather than trolling... i.e. she dug her own grave) is because she is bad-mannered and a social nuisance; most people don't appreciate being "shouted at" by all capital letters and treated like they're trolls simply because their way of thinking does not mesh with hers. Inevitably, she has become a laughingstock to most of the FFXI official forums community from her actions, and has zero credibility or standing among the majority.

tl;dr what Rog said: Because it doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

Inevitably, she has become a laughingstock to most of the FFXI official forums community from her actions, and has zero credibility or standing among the majority.

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Exactly. What worries me though, and prompts me to reply to her, is that there are new people coming in here every day who might take her nonsense seriously. I see it as a civil duty to not only dismantle the garbage she posts, but also inform them that rational conversation with her is a vacuous and fruitless exercise.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Exactly. What worries me though, and prompts me to reply to her, is that there are new people coming in here every day who might take her nonsense seriously. I see it as a civil duty to not only dismantle the garbage she posts, but also inform them that rational conversation with her is a vacuous and fruitless exercise.

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I feel the same way... I'm more determined to halt a spread of misinformation that her posts portray. More often than not they're conspiracies (i.e. "SE doesn't give a darn about FFXI" when we have a devtracker for each section that SHOWS Camate, our community rep, replying to the different ideas. Look at the macro strings thread, for example.) or they're simply stating that something about the game is unfair (H2H gets left out on red procs despite having multiple blue procs as well as both MNK and PUP having access to a number of red procs based on subjob) or simply calling people out as trolls despite their attempts to give good and factual information.

I wish we could just motion for a ban, but I highly doubt that would ever come to pass. -_-;

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Exactly. What worries me though, and prompts me to reply to her, is that there are new people coming in here every day who might take her nonsense seriously. I see it as a civil duty to not only dismantle the garbage she posts, but also inform them that rational conversation with her is a vacuous and fruitless exercise.

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Oh wow, we agree on something.

But really, this^

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Originally Posted by rog

Oh wow, we agree on something.

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We agree on a lot of things, it`s not like your posts usually need validating though.