Couldn't help but notice this gem hidden in the update notes: Red Mage - Adding sword weapon skills previously exclusive to other jobs. Now if only they finally upgrade our sword skill to an A- or so...
We finally get more Weaponskills!
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03-26-2015, 02:39 PMokugiWe finally get more Weaponskills!
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03-26-2015, 11:57 PMDemonjustin
I agree on the skill, but honestly...
I have to say, after all my years of bitching about RDM's melee power it looks as though we're getting pretty damned good updates. The best melee gear, all WS access, it feels like greatness is finally upon us! -
03-30-2015, 12:51 AMsaevelWell to be fair all SE had to do was stop cutting RDM off from gear. In the past they chose winners and losers by restricting who had access to what gear, certain jobs were giving all the good stuff while others got shafted. This last skirmish gear release was very generous in allowing lots of jobs access to lots of different gear. RDM is still far behind BLU / WAR / SAM / THF / ect.. but at least it's no longer a complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonjustin
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04-04-2015, 03:40 AMGrekumah
The recent adjustments made to the weapon skills that can be used by red mage were not meant to make them into sword specialists. Instead, the intent was to broaden the choices available when it comes to close range combat.
Naturally, red mage has a lot of utility during battles, and as such we have no plans to increase their sword skill rating. -
04-06-2015, 06:41 AMDemonjustinThis, be it a goal or not, was achieved through the fact our best weapons tend to be sword, and that our JSE weapons are almost always swords. Simply look at our Mythic, Empyrean, JSE119, and the other weapons of the same sort, and you're easily able to discern RDM as a job favors swords. Even our limited expansion in terms of dagger selection didn't really change this. In short, there was no need to make us sword specialists, we already kinda were, which I think is a large part of why we wanted the other WSs to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grekumah
Provided you keep going down this road, I think you're doing it justice. It's something I feel has long been needed, and I'm thankful for it.Quote:
Instead, the intent was to broaden the choices available when it comes to close range combat.
So long as gear is kept where it's at, I'm not sure that's much an issue.Quote:
Naturally, red mage has a lot of utility during battles, and as such we have no plans to increase their sword skill rating.
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04-11-2015, 12:45 PMokugiWhile I'm inclined to agree with this, a small part of me would like to see us at least have the same skill with sword as WHM does with Club. It's sorta embarassing to know a White Mage has a higher combat skill level with that hammer then we do with our sword...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonjustin
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04-13-2015, 12:25 AMDaleAgreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grekumah
Players who want Red Mages to be master melee comparable to Samurai are just being unrealistic. As you pointed out: they have such effective utility in combat they need to be constrained. Our sword skill is fine where its at - and doesn't prevent us from being effective with a sword. At least in my opinion anyway.
Not sure what weapon skills you are adding. But I would caution the developers if you have plans to give us Sanguine Blade. Though I personally would love it - I believe it would be imbalanced and that weapon skill needs to remain sub job dependent. -
04-13-2015, 06:50 AMZekander
You're late to the party Dale, the update was almost three weeks ago, and they gave RDM all of the currently available sword weaponskills. Including Sanguine Blade, which in my opinion was the only really useful WS at this point. We already had native access to the two strongest WS, Savage Blade and CDC, so these additions in no way increased RDMs DPS.
No one has ever asked for RDM to be on par with Samurai for damage. No one even asked for access to these weaponskills. The most I have seen anyone ask for is to give RDM an A- sword skill, that would give us an additional 19 Attack and Accuracy, and nothing else, hardly game breaking. Just about every RDM on these forums agrees that RDM should not be a preeminent DD, all they want is to be able to leverage all their capabilities in party play, and not be looked down upon for doing so. -
04-14-2015, 05:03 AMDaleIt seems I am. I still stand by my post and think it was a mistake to give Sanguine Blade to Red Mages. It was a nice benefit to subbing /war or /blue and I think it should have stayed that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekander
Red Mages already had an effective array of spells that made them efficient at melee (Phalanx, Haste 2, Temper, Distract etc.). They already had access to the best damage dealing sword skills as you pointed out. If people are not happy with the current state of Red Mage melee then I don't know what on earth would satisfy them if not to make them equal to Samurais.
The biggest factor against Red Mage melee is not a lack in dps or some incapability to melee. Bumping their sword skill up to an A would change nothing in this regard.
What makes Red Mage melee unacceptable to many parties is everyone and their mother players a damage dealing melee class. So when they are lucky enough to get a mage - they would prefer them to backline and focus on other more-needed duties. Also: many enemies have very nasty AoE's which takes time to recover from. That's time a Red Mage melee has to spend on their self instead of other party members which can become a drag on their ability to effectively support. Or they burden another member with the task.
The best solution to your problem is to build a balanced group to where a Red mage does not have to leverage all their capabilities and can focus more on melee. What you describe - buffing this job to where it can effectively Melee/Enfeeble/Enhance/Heal/Nuke - basically do everything it is capable of competitively in all party situations - would turn this job into a monster with near god-like status.
I don't think that's what this what this job was intended to be. I believe it was intended to be a versatile job that can adapt to different party situations and provide support where it is needed. This idea that's it's suppose to be a super mage than can do everything all at once just isn't realistic and would be near impossible to achieve in this game's current design without grossly over-powering what is already a very powerful job.