Thief's Time To Shine?

It's been well over a year since the complete disaster that was this developer response to our concerns

Camate, can we get an update as to the developers' plans and vision for THF to "shine":

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We are planning to make adjustments so that thieves are really able to shine.

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Because all I really see is the addition of events that marginalise Treasure Hunter (or just render it completely useless) and are very very difficult to get a pickup invite as a THF.

If no one needs THF for treasure hunter

No one uses THF to manipulate enmity

And no one looks for THF to Deal Damage because our DD is weaker than other DD's...

Where does that leave us?

It's obviously in reference to all of the glowing daggers they keep releasing for us to play with. I have kind of lost hope from them for a legit buff given that Subtle Blow and 5 minute recast Dispel and stealing notable items from monters are all overpowered!

Yeah I'm still waiting to shine. All the crap we do get in traits and JAs and even gear and we're still sub par at best for DPS output. Kind of sad, really, that daggers suck that badly. 2h weapons got massive DMG boosts with the level cap raise but uh, let's see here. Mandau went from 39 to 55. That's not actually bad. Til you look at Brav that went from 99 to 158. 39 vs 99 and 55 vs 158. 60 point difference vs um... 158 minus 58 is 100 so 58 already... um 55 to 100 is 45 soooo... um 58+45=103. 60(lv75) vs 103(lv99)


Yeah makes sense why dagger is so terribly bad right now. They're scared the universe will explode. Kiko is actually 64 @ 99 but even it was just 42 at 75, a whole 3 points higher than mandau. Excal is 49/69. Maybe I just fail here because I don't know the maths and scaling at 99. But as far as I care they shat on scaling dagger properly. It's off by 43. Could you imagine a mandau clocking in at 98 base dmg? And I know exactly what the excuse would be, TA haste stats blah blah blah but none of that stopped war and it's GA and DA and haste and stats.

I'm probably just failing here at math scaling and have better things to do than to know about it, but it's practically unarguable that what would go a long way in helping dagger jobs would be to increase the damn base dmg because right now it's extremely sad at lv99 vs what it was at 75. Might as well left it at 75 stats and tacked on a trollface icon on all daggers for lulz @ player base.

Weapon class damage increased with the level cap based on DPS which stayed similar to what it was at 75 cap. So, 55 damage with 176 delay at level 99 isn't that unreasonable. Unfortunately though Mandau not only lost it's #1 DPS spot among relics it dropped to 8th freaking place. Ahead of only Kikoku Amano Mjollnir and Claustrum. At the same time most of the weapons with now higher DPS are wielded by jobs with a slew of DPS increasing JAs and traits, much higher WS frequency and damage, and in some cases the 2h damage calculation bonus. I forgot what my point was but that's pretty lame.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Weapon class damage increased with the level cap based on DPS which stayed similar to what it was at 75 cap. So, 55 damage with 176 delay at level 99 isn't that unreasonable. Unfortunately though Mandau not only lost it's #1 DPS spot among relics it dropped to 8th freaking place. Ahead of only Kikoku Amano Mjollnir and Claustrum. At the same time most of the weapons with now higher DPS are wielded by jobs with a slew of DPS increasing JAs and traits, much higher WS frequency and damage, and in some cases the 2h damage calculation bonus. I forgot what my point was but that's pretty lame.

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Probably balanced with the fact that we got DW3 natively, an extra 1% Triple Attack (+ gear) and crit damage bonus.

But most other jobs with great damage weapons also got similar buffs, so that doesn't seem like a good reason.

Right. The new #1 Ragnarok is mainly used by DRKs who got an insane boost in DPS from the last resort revamp. The gap between "real DDs" and THF has grown since 75. There should have been no need to "balance" dagger DPS growth from 75.

They probably mean Bamboozle.

You mean the only 2 hour that was so bad it didn't even make it on to the test servers? :rolleyes:

i really agree with this thread, as far as i can see the only thing we got that was any good was bully as it allowed us use sa while soloing and even that's on a 5 minute timer.

I really believe we should not let this die and i hope every thf in the game posts here to show how annoyed we are