So why did my friend get banned for RMT activity if he doesn't engage in it?

Ok, I'm a big fan of cruor burn parties and a friend, that shall remain nameless at his request, was banned LM-17'ed today. Yes, I run around sometimes with people who have multiple mules out there collecting cruor and then changing them chocobo blinkers, what they do is up to them. Reason why I am posting this question is because he was not the only to get banned. So,devs, is cruor farming illegal in the game? If it is, should you not put tools to circumvent this rather than just blindly hammering people to the wall just because you suspect them of doing wrong?

In my experience people that got banned for RMT/Flee Hacking/Duping etc did RMT/Flee Hack/Dupe.

Just because you got banned, it doesn't mean it was for RMT activity. There are lots of other reasons you can get banned...

They do have tools to detect RMT activity. That's why we don't have a lot of it these days...

However, personally I think using multiple mules to multiply cruor IS abusive... They probably detected all those characters were owned by the same person.

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Originally Posted by Oscar71

Ok, I'm a big fan of cruor burn parties and a friend, that shall remain nameless at his request, was banned LM-17'ed today. Yes, I run around sometimes with people who have multiple mules out there collecting cruor and then changing them chocobo blinkers, what they do is up to them. Reason why I am posting this question is because he was not the only to get banned. So,devs, is cruor farming illegal in the game? If it is, should you not put tools to circumvent this rather than just blindly hammering people to the wall just because you suspect them of doing wrong?

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for being dumb, it's next to impossible to get banned these days

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

However, personally I think using multiple mules to multiply cruor IS abusive... They probably detected all those characters were owned by the same person.

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If a person is paying for all of their different accounts, why shouldn't they be able to reap the rewards from it? Each separate account is treated as its own entity, regardless of how many or few people play on it.

@ the OP:
I recently had an lsmate drop from game during an itzpap farm only to find out he had been banned. It was because he had billing trouble w/ the crysta system. So don't judge about what the ban was for until your friend contacts SE about it, because it could be for numerous reasons.

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Originally Posted by Brolic

for being dumb, it's next to impossible to get banned these days

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of course not one of my inactive accounts is banned and only used it for 3 minutes

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If a person is paying for all of their different accounts, why shouldn't they be able to reap the rewards from it?

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Because it's still for one person. Why should people be able to buy a cruor multiplier for 12.95? After all, this is one of the ways RMT have been known to make money. There's only 2 reasons you'd need mules for cruor: To buy more brews, or to buy more NPCable/AHable goods with it. In the former case, I say get better at the game so you don't need brews, in the latter case, well that's a possible flag for RMT activity. Any other use of cruor doesn't necessitate bringing a bunch of mules with you. Those mules aren't doing anything, you're not even controlling them to heal you or do anything like players often do with secondary accounts, so it borders on absentee play.

I don't like the concept of buying more power- If you actually use/control those mules, it's one thing, but when they aren't there for any purpose except to multiply the cruor you recieve in abyssea, its pretty obvious it's a red flag to RMT activity to the system.

Now, you could have gotten banned for something else, and then the point of all of this was moot. But the only way you're going to find out what you were banned for is if you contact support.

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In all actuality, this is not the case, especially if they're all paid for with the same credit card. Tell that to those asian players that all got banned when one of them broke the rules.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There's only 2 reasons you'd need mules for cruor: To buy more brews, or to buy more NPCable/AHable goods with it. In the former case, I say get better at the game so you don't need brews, in the latter case, well that's RMT activity.

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RMT stands for Real Money Trading.

If what you describe is ACTUALLY RMT, then it's RMT between the player and SE.

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Originally Posted by Dragonlord

If a person is paying for all of their different accounts, why shouldn't they be able to reap the rewards from it? Each separate account is treated as its own entity, regardless of how many or few people play on it.

@ the OP:
I recently had an lsmate drop from game during an itzpap farm only to find out he had been banned. It was because he had billing trouble w/ the crysta system. So don't judge about what the ban was for until your friend contacts SE about it, because it could be for numerous reasons.

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It never matters what you or I think. If SE thinks its abusive, they can ban you. As per the EULA, you have no rights to your character. Play nice in the Sandbox and that's not likely to happen. Exploit game mechanics for your own profit, tread carefully.

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

It never matters what you or I think. If SE thinks its abusive, they can ban you. As per the EULA, you have no rights to your character. Play nice in the Sandbox and that's not likely to happen. Exploit game mechanics for your own profit, tread carefully.

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SE has never stated that using alternate characters to accrue cruor is against ToS. And if i'm remembering correctly they came out and stated that trading items such as the armor purchasable with cruor into gil is a perfectly legitimate tactic.

You guys need to learn the difference between why salvage dupes were against ToS and all of this stuff isn't. The salvage duping was an error in the code that players knew was wrong and took advantage of. Using multiple characters for cruor is perfectly within the design of how SE designed how cruor is obtained. 1 kill from 1 player is x cruor. 1 kill from a player in an alliance is x*18, and this is how they implemented it.