The real problem with PLD

It's quite simple. PLD is supposed to be the best defensive job in the game and it takes the best gear in the game to be better than a blink tank for staying alive. So square needs to give PLD better spells/gear/abilities/traits for mitigating damage. They're so worried about overpowering it that they make it useless.

On another note, PLD could really use it's own provoke so people can double down /war or still hold hate /dnc.

Between those two things, that should fix PLD.

The real problem with PLD is PLDs who don't know what's wrong with it...

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Originally Posted by Inafking

It's quite simple. PLD is supposed to be the best defensive job in the game and it takes the best gear in the game to be better than a blink tank for staying alive. So square needs to give PLD better spells/gear/abilities/traits for mitigating damage. They're so worried about overpowering it that they make it useless

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Any job in the game can tank in Abyssea and old content the difference is the jobs that deal more damage doing it excel as tanks because 1) damage dealt is currently the best way to hold hate 2) more damage dealt leads to dead monster sooner thus leading to less damage taken

PLD has Voidwalker NMs to tank. Abyssea is easy mode stop dreaming of tanking in it as PLD and being useful besides Swift Blade procs because your group didn't wait until Blunt time to allow the MNK and WHM to get blue !!.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

On another note, PLD could really use it's own provoke so people can double down /war or still hold hate /dnc.

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Provoke does nothing useful when the DDs are capping/recapping hate just by hitting the damn monster.

Read this: http://kanican.livejournal.com/13235.html before you try and "fix" PLD because you need to learn how hate works first.

I have no problems holding hate. The problem I have is that I die when I do. lol

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Originally Posted by Inafking

I have no problems holding hate. The problem I have is that I die when I do. lol

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Get a better WHM has nothing to do with PLD.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Get a better WHM

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Originally Posted by WHM

(No more MP!)

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Even the best WHM can't make up for too much to heal.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

Even the best WHM can't make up for too much to heal.

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My WHM/BLM is capable of keeping a NIN/WAR and a WAR/NIN healed without any additional support. Sure she needs a better sub but hey my friend and I like D2s and Stuns. The point is she doesn't run out of MP before a mob dies in Abyssea. Last night we took down Karkadann with this setup.

That same WHM kept my WAR/SAM alive while killing Tablilla.

We got an extra WHM and BLM and took down Hadhayosh as well. The only reason we had 2 WHMs for Hadhayosh was because we expected Meteor > Ecliptic Meteor or Meteor > Meteor would be taxing on Cure V/VI recast timers and we didn't care for pulling it all the way to the lake/ledge near #04. Neither of the WHMs dropped below 50% MP during that fight.

With Cure Potency up to +50%, WHM +2 legs restoring 5% MP, and MM Atma your WHM shouldn't be running out of MP before a monster dies...

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Originally Posted by Zagen

With Cure Potency up to +50%, WHM +2 legs restoring 5% MP, and MM Atma your WHM shouldn't be running out of MP before a monster dies...

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This again assumes you have the good stuff, which most people don't.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

This again assumes you have the good stuff, which most people don't.

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I knew you'd think that way guess what she started with 20% potency and did just fine while we farmed seals to get her +1 head/legs and while farming Sobek she got +2 legs. Currently she has 28% Cure Potency, far from the 50% that can be attained.

My MNK/DNC/NIN/THF started Pink and slowly got upgraded my WAR was horribly geared for a long time I mean I was toting K.Osode, Hermes' Sandals, Emp +1 legs I got as rot before I even finished WAR, Dusk Gloves, W. Turban. You don't need great gear to be functional as a job. There are very little NMs that are hard and the ones that are hard don't "need" to be farmed right away. That means you can kill other NMs to improve gear before ever wasting time on the hard ones.

You're still asuming people have something to start with or that there is enough easily attainable gear and atma. That is simply not the case. I have the deaths to prove it.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

You're still asuming people have something to start with or that there is enough easily attainable gear and atma. That is simply not the case. I have the deaths to prove it.

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Our WHM started with a light staff and noble's tunic if your WHM can't get the accepted basics then find a better WHM... She didn't get MM atma until after getting the head +1 done and her MP was enough to keep my friend and I alive.