Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Cyx

It seems the only people who want the level cap raised are people that have been playing for a long time and are /pout. It's time to get over it. "This took me forever to get and they got it in one day". In my opinion you can either play a job well or you can't. It doesn't matter if you have been playing a job for 4 years and someone got it in 1 day to 75. If you are a good player it only takes 1 day to realize what needs to be done. And

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I agree with everything in this post. My only problem is pointing out that the OP of this thread and the ringleader of this "raise the abyssea cap" nonsense is a guy that started playing this game after WoG release. So its not only oldschool players who are complaining, but also noobs who think that lvling in the lvl-sync generation makes them "oldschool".

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Originally Posted by Cyx

It doesn't matter if you have been playing a job for 4 years and someone got it in 1 day to 75. If you are a good player it only takes 1 day to realize what needs to be done.

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False.

I began playing back in '06 and I started off leveling DRK as my main. Throughout parties I didn't know much so I simply assumed my job was to do as much damage as possible in the shortest amount of time possible regardless of how much MP it took to keep me alive. This, of course, meant Souleater + Last resort whenever it was up. I also had absolutely NO knowledge of gear swaps, haste builds, etc and I simply distributed attack, accuracy, and strength evenly throughout all of my gear. It wasn't until about level 45 when I realized how wrong I was playing my job.

Now how did I figure out what I was doing was wrong? Was it through sitting around and leeching till I was 75? Hell no. I learned solely through partying with other people the do's and don'ts of this game.

If I began playing this game during this Abyssea era, then I have no doubt that I would be level 90 within a week and would still be spamming souleater, last resort, and blood weapon at every opportunity. I would still have one set of armor and I would be missing, attacking slowly, and whiffing weapon skills often.

70 is perfect because it's around the level where exp begins slowing down as most 70 camps are the same places as 75 meripo camps except much slower. It gives people ample time to learn how to play their classes effectively, shows mages how to use their MP efficiently instead of spamming the highest cure they have available (what I'm seeing nowadays from mages) and prevents nubs like Nature from ending up reaching max level because back when I played, if you "had your own playstyle" and decided to never gearswap, you'd be infamous and there would be no parties easily. This would essentially force those kinds of players to begin playing efficiently and stop hindering parties.

Tl;DR version: I support this.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

False.

I began playing back in '06 and I started off leveling DRK as my main. Throughout parties I didn't know much so I simply assumed my job was to do as much damage as possible in the shortest amount of time possible regardless of how much MP it took to keep me alive. This, of course, meant Souleater + Last resort whenever it was up. I also had absolutely NO knowledge of gear swaps, haste builds, etc and I simply distributed attack, accuracy, and strength evenly throughout all of my gear. It wasn't until about level 45 when I realized how wrong I was playing my job.

Now how did I figure out what I was doing was wrong? Was it through sitting around and leeching till I was 75? Hell no. I learned solely through partying with other people the do's and don'ts of this game.

If I began playing this game during this Abyssea era, then I have no doubt that I would be level 90 within a week and would still be spamming souleater, last resort, and blood weapon at every opportunity. I would still have one set of armor and I would be missing, attacking slowly, and whiffing weapon skills often.

70 is perfect because it's around the level where exp begins slowing down as most 70 camps are the same places as 75 meripo camps except much slower. It gives people ample time to learn how to play their classes effectively, shows mages how to use their MP efficiently instead of spamming the highest cure they have available (what I'm seeing nowadays from mages) and prevents nubs like Nature from ending up reaching max level because back when I played, if you "had your own playstyle" and decided to never gearswap, you'd be infamous and there would be no parties easily. This would essentially force those kinds of players to begin playing efficiently and stop hindering parties.

Tl;DR version: I support this.

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There aren't many new players and most new players are people coming back from quitting and didn't get their char back.

Your entire argument is this: Well it took me a while to figure out what I was doing wrong, that must mean it will take everybody else a while, exping fast is bad.

Assuming everybody doesn't do the research you didn't do is a stupid thing to base your argument on.

I wonder if this thread will become as popular as the cheesecake.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Assuming everybody doesn't do the research you didn't do is a stupid thing to base your argument on.

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this ^

AND you took a section out of my comment and replied based on that. If you notice I was only talking about players that have been around for a while. I was not talking about players that started 2 months ago. I said

"It seems the only people who want the level cap raised are people that have been playing for a long time and are /pout. It's time to get over it. "This took me forever to get and they got it in one day"."

ggthough~

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

False.

I began playing back in '06 and I started off leveling DRK as my main. Throughout parties I didn't know much so I simply assumed my job was to do as much damage as possible in the shortest amount of time possible regardless of how much MP it took to keep me alive. This, of course, meant Souleater + Last resort whenever it was up. I also had absolutely NO knowledge of gear swaps, haste builds, etc and I simply distributed attack, accuracy, and strength evenly throughout all of my gear. It wasn't until about level 45 when I realized how wrong I was playing my job.

Now how did I figure out what I was doing was wrong? Was it through sitting around and leeching till I was 75? Hell no. I learned solely through partying with other people the do's and don'ts of this game.

If I began playing this game during this Abyssea era, then I have no doubt that I would be level 90 within a week and would still be spamming souleater, last resort, and blood weapon at every opportunity. I would still have one set of armor and I would be missing, attacking slowly, and whiffing weapon skills often.

70 is perfect because it's around the level where exp begins slowing down as most 70 camps are the same places as 75 meripo camps except much slower. It gives people ample time to learn how to play their classes effectively, shows mages how to use their MP efficiently instead of spamming the highest cure they have available (what I'm seeing nowadays from mages) and prevents nubs like Nature from ending up reaching max level because back when I played, if you "had your own playstyle" and decided to never gearswap, you'd be infamous and there would be no parties easily. This would essentially force those kinds of players to begin playing efficiently and stop hindering parties.

Tl;DR version: I support this.

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Or you could have taken a couple hours and done some research on the job. If you jump into anything with no forethought, chances are you're going to do the wrong thing. Spending 3-4 hours reading through DRK forums and talking to players that already have experience would have had the same effect that countless days of trial and error taught you.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

There aren't many new players and most new players are people coming back from quitting and didn't get their char back.

Your entire argument is this: Well it took me a while to figure out what I was doing wrong, that must mean it will take everybody else a while, exping fast is bad.

Assuming everybody doesn't do the research you didn't do is a stupid thing to base your argument on.

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Again, false. On Valefor I have a friend list of about 20~ brand new players and I've only been back for about 2 weeks. What do they all have in common? They're all level 65+ with god awful gear (I.E DRKs wearing Scorpion Harness). What do most of them have in common? They have no idea how to beat maat.

There are WHMs and RDMs meleeing in parties BLM just spamming nukes and Nins maining GK's. It's ridiculous.

Your attempt to oversimplify my post is noted, but you're doing it wrong. Most new players have no clue about resources such as ffxiclopedia, bluegartr, etc. until told told about it by higher ups and many of them have to learn things on the fly. If you spend all your time leeching in an Abyssea party, you're going to be the same noob you were when you began playing the game, you're just going to be level 90.

I'm not a cranky vet who thinks that everyone should have it as hard as I did, I just think that lowbies should have to learn how to play their classes properly before being able to leech and that people who don't want to level in Abyssea and want to party the old school way should be able to. This suggestion addresses both of those problems.

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Originally Posted by Cyx

this ^

AND you took a section out of my comment and replied based on that. If you notice I was only talking about players that have been around for a while. I was not talking about players that started 2 months ago. I said

"It seems the only people who want the level cap raised are people that have been playing for a long time and are /pout. It's time to get over it. "This took me forever to get and they got it in one day"."

ggthough~

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And what I'm saying is that not everyone is a returning vet, and everyone should not be treated as such.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

False.

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You assume that everyone is going to take as long as you to get the hang of things.

It doesn't work that way.

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