Interim Report – Sorry to keep you all waiting!

I really don't mind the issue with the Embrava nerf, however I do believe NNI and certain other events that require same will be much more difficult near improbable to complete post-nerf. Embrava, post-nerf, is still a really good 1hr as some other 1hrs really are not all that great....DRG.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I really don't mind the issue with the Embrava nerf, however I do believe NNI and certain other events that require same will be much more difficult near improbable to complete post-nerf. Embrava, post-nerf, is still a really good 1hr as some other 1hrs really are not all that great....DRG.

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With the larger floor jumps and faster lamps you don't even need embrava currently to clear 100. And if for some reason you do, you should just spam floor 80.

I understand that NO CHANGE is bad, however any GOOD company will LISTEN to their CUSTOMERS when it comes to changes. No one really WANTS the embrava nerf, it is something that SE has decided to do because they gave us something we can use to subvert the time sink that is part of this game (NNI, ADL, etc) but what they (SE) fails to realize is that we the CUSTOMERS who PAY FOR THE GAME every month should have more of a say in what is changed. It is dishonorable and sad that they are changing something that benefits the player. more REFRESH does not BENEFIT anyone.
so in short I say this: これらの変更は、不名誉をもたらす

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Originally Posted by Rubicant82

No one really WANTS the embrava nerf [..]

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I want it, so your argument is invalid.

Although the rest of what you said wasn't much smarter. Customers are retards, most of the time they don't know what they want. It's perfectly fine to completely ignore the customer base if they know what they're doing. They made a great game and kept it up for years without any significant customer input, and many other FF games did the same. Sadly they don't seem to keep up with the times well and most of what they produce is garbage now. Although if they listened to even half of the bullshit people suggest on here and implemented it today, the game would be one big piece of junk and no one would be playing it anymore by next month.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I want it, so your argument is invalid.

Although the rest of what you said wasn't much smarter. Customers are retards, most of the time they don't know what they want.

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You're a customer too, you know. Are you somehow superior to the rest of us, or should I consider the rest of your post null and void because you are a retard yourself? If customers are retards and you are a customer then you are a retard after all.

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It's perfectly fine to completely ignore the customer base if they know what they're doing. They made a great game and kept it up for years without any significant customer input, and many other FF games did the same. Sadly they don't seem to keep up with the times well and most of what they produce is garbage now. Although if they listened to even half of the bullshit people suggest on here and implemented it today, the game would be one big piece of junk and no one would be playing it anymore by next month.

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Your basis for this reasoning?

Hurrdurr I liek swords! http://imgur.com/fqcRh.gif

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Originally Posted by Camiie

You're a customer too, you know. Are you somehow superior to the rest of us, or should I consider the rest of your post null and void because you are a retard yourself?

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I am a customer, not the customers. Masses and individuals are different. And yes, I am superior to the customers, as are many other customers. And no, even if I wasn't it wouldn't make my post any less valid. Tastes and reasoning are different, you can be the smartest person in the world and still have a taste that goes against what the majority wants.

To stay on topic with an example, Embrava was horrible. Not only should they have nerfed it, they should have never released it in the first place. It's an embarrassment that it took them this long to adjust it, same as the Ukon nerf. If you like it or not does not matter at all, it's bad game design. It's one of the reasons for the zerg mentality, which was what many people complained about (ironically many of the same people who are against the nerf). The content is what needs adjusting, not releasing abilities that destroy strategic gameplay. But many people don't know that and are just sad that their job of choice doesn't have a weapon of mass destruction anymore. They want it back, regardless of how it would affect the game. Hence, a stupid choice. The same goes for quite a few other unpopular choices (Blinkers nerf comes to mind), choices that have to be made regardless of what customers want. Because customers are retards.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I want it, so your argument is invalid.

Although the rest of what you said wasn't much smarter. Customers are retards, most of the time they don't know what they want. It's perfectly fine to completely ignore the customer base if they know what they're doing. They made a great game and kept it up for years without any significant customer input, and many other FF games did the same. Sadly they don't seem to keep up with the times well and most of what they produce is garbage now. Although if they listened to even half of the bullshit people suggest on here and implemented it today, the game would be one big piece of junk and no one would be playing it anymore by next month.

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You realize that they are asking for opinions and then ignoring them right? It's fine to do something anywhere in life (not just in games) without asking what other people think about it. But, implying that you want to do things that will make someone happy and then consistently doing things to piss them off instead is a straight up dick move.

<SE>"Hey kids. What kind of ice cream do you like? Vanilla or Chocolate?"

<KIDS> "We like Vanilla. We're allergic to Chocolate."

<SE> "Oh... Well then here's a big heaping bowl of chocolate ice cream. Let us know what you think."

<KIDS> "We told you we are allergic. WTF?!?!"

<SE> "We think you will like chocolate. Feel free to post here and tell us what you think."

<KIDS> "We hate this crap! WTF is wrong with you people? Get us some Vanilla GDI!"

<SE> "We are considering getting some Vanilla for you. Just wait a while. In the mean time feel free to tell us what you think."

<KIDS> "We think that you are insane. Why do you hate us?"

1 year later...

<SE> "Hey guys, good news! We got you a teaspoon of vanilla to share. Guys... Guys... Where is everyone?..."

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You realize that they are asking for opinions and then ignoring them right?

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I do, and it's embarrassing. They've proven to be completely inept at customer interaction on almost every level. I've thought to myself a few times they may have actually been better off without these forums, simply to not disappoint even outside of game content.

Remember, kids: this is only the beta of the Final Fantasy XI forums! All real feedback should be sent through the Contact Form through the Square-Enix Support Center website until the final version of the forums is released!

Have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You realize that they are asking for opinions and then ignoring them right? (...)

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Priceless post! ^^ So true! I also felt this way regarding some (most) FFXIV battle changes...funny enough they were also led by Matsui there.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You realize that they are asking for opinions and then ignoring them right?

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This is not true... they respond to the Japanese feed back all the time.
Oh ... right ... we are the English forum... so I'm just going to sit back and watch as one forum audience (Give you a hit it is not the English or the EU!) gets preferential treatment over the rest of us, and the game goes down the crapper like FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

<SE> "We are considering getting some Vanilla for you. Just wait a while. In the mean time feel free to tell us what you think."

<KIDS> "We think that you are insane. Why do you hate us?"

1 year later...

<SE> "Hey guys, good news! We got you a teaspoon of vanilla to share. Guys... Guys... Where is everyone?..."

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I think it'd be more like:

<KIDS> "So about that vanilla you promised us..."

<SE> "We never actually promised you any vanilla."