This is kind of funny... because to my knowledge you cannot post on the forums from a PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
haha
Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?
Printable View
-
09-07-2011, 10:23 AMMinkaa
-
09-07-2011, 10:30 AMEric
You also can't play the game if you don't have a PC to manage your account on the new SE account system.
haha -
09-07-2011, 10:35 AMEricBy the way, didn't they teach you that Ad Hominem is one of the lowest (and most flawed) sort of argument? I'm pretty sure you don't need an education for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
EDIT: It also doesn't change the fact that some of the claims you were making back there are ridiculous and pure nonsense.
EDIT: Oh, sorry,I got *2* posts moderated. One of posts was only moderated because I was directly responding to the personal attack you made on my FFXIAH photos. It's quite obvious who's losing their temper here, especially since you keep on trying to insult my "pride"(pride being a ridiculous concept that's common among simple-minded commoners). I don't need pride, when I simply know that I'm superior--"pasty" white skin or not.
FINAL EDIT: I've made my case here. I've seen enough evidence to suggest that the PS2 will eventually go down. SE's already started to make the moves necessary to drop the obsoleted console, and they will continue to act, regardless of how many PS2 scrubs I continue to educate. Have fun bickering. -
09-07-2011, 10:58 AMVold
The vast majority of NA play on the PC because the PS2 version of FFXI came bundled with the HDD and you had to purchase the network adapter separately. Few people jumped for it. To this day I see FFXI HDD for PS2 at my local walmart and I live in the damn woods. I think there's two of them. I'm debating buying one just for collector's sake.
I guarantee you it's a different story in Japan as console gaming(and arcade gaming) is eons ahead of the PC there. It would not surprise me in the least to learn the vast majority of Japanese still play FFXI on a PS2. And I'd be willing to bet they'd be willing to jump to another platform if it meant a better FFXI. They know the clock is ticking for their PS2s. -
09-07-2011, 11:04 AMAshQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Admitting defeat already?
And scrubs and commoner, really who talks like that? Really thinking your better just because you do not play a videogame on a ps2 is quite hillarious. -
09-07-2011, 11:19 AMFrankReynoldsIt has a whole computer attached to it. If you don't know what that does I can't help you. We already discussed at length the things that PC can't have due to PS2 limitations. Your just feigning ignorance now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Actually I was just late for work and really awestruck at how you fell back on an argument like "nobody plays 360" after complaining for like 30 pages about the same argument being used on PS2.Quote:
i know your angry because people are proving you wrong and that the ps2 support won t be dropped, but you gotta let it go bro, no reason to get that angry and insulting over a game.
Unfortunately that is true. but currently the money I pay goes towards people trying to create new ways to fit stuff on a 10 year old system. Not really fair to me.Quote:
in the end we all pay the same amount per account and what sounds like a good idea to you might not be to the S-e shareholders
-
09-07-2011, 11:26 AMAshFair or not is highly dependant on how much money that 10years old system still brings into their pockets. All i hear everytime you and the Your are not on pc bashing crew everytime someone is against ps2 support is OMG YOU ARE KILLING MY DREAM and nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
all you and ,me have been doing so far is talking about things we assume and none of us has concrete proof that either one of us is right or wrong. -
09-07-2011, 11:33 AMAshQuote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
No seriously as of today, what is different about playing on ps2 or PC other than the higher resolution? What does having a whole computer attached to it does to the CURRENT version of the game? -
09-07-2011, 12:05 PMModoruNo PS2 limitations on PC! :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Plus, PC has so much more potential for this game. You know this, I know this, a lot of people know this.
I'm not saying PS2 players are killing the game, because that's not necessarily the case, but I'm all for playing on a PC. Heck, I'm updating FFXI on this cheap netbook right now~. -
09-07-2011, 12:27 PMFrankReynoldsWell for one it can do a million things the PS2 can't while its running FFXI (I can't believe I'm explaining this to a person who is clearly sitting at a computer now). For another, it runs smoother. sorry, but your PS2 runs smoother nonsense doesn't fly here. But most importantly, it is not keeping SE from adding inventory, items, NPCs, maps, textures, storyline..... and if by "assume" you mean that SE has publicly stated that PS2 is limiting the game in these ways, well then yes. I assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
-
09-07-2011, 12:41 PMLeonlionheart
Also,
infinity macro lines
Sincerely, PC. -
09-07-2011, 12:57 PMJoslyn
Hate to say it but all these arguments are mute.
Does the ps2 limit what can be done on PC? yes
Will they drop ps2 support in the future? maybe
If they do will some people quit? more than likely
Will there be a ps3 version? highly unlikely but one can dream
The arguing here is just for the sake of arguing, we still don't know if they are just asking what people are playing the game on.
Maybe all there finding out is which systems people play on and then discussing how to handle future content.
If the game dies off so be it, there are other games to play. -
09-07-2011, 01:25 PMArconIf only :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
That does not mean fairness. I think you mean relevance. And it's not relevant either; what's relevant is the money they would lose from people quitting over the PS2. You're assuming that every PS2 player will quit, which clearly isn't so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Better graphics in general, smoother game, faster load times, less crashes, more ways to control the game (different controllers, different setups), the ability to check wiki, forums and FFXIAH on the side while you're playing (can do that on PS2 only if you have a computer running seperately), etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
And again, the current state isn't even relevant. What's relevant is the potential. The PS2 has reached its potential (long ago). If the PS2 is dropped, then you'd see what the PC really has on the PS2.
Moot. And all arguments on the internet are. Although that "other games" line is garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joslyn
-
09-07-2011, 02:02 PMAshNot without a certain 3rd party tool...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonlionheart
-
09-07-2011, 02:04 PMAshIndeed it is all in the sake of arguing, although some peaople seems to take their desires for realityQuote:
Originally Posted by Joslyn
-
09-07-2011, 02:10 PMAshJust like you and a lot of people are assuming that none of them will quit, it is what it is an assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
-
09-07-2011, 02:18 PMJeezWait, so you acknowledge that PC has a certain something to offer that PS2 can never have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
-
09-07-2011, 02:19 PMAshI dont use it and it is against the tos, so no it cannot be counted as an advantage. Its like saying using steroids in sport is an advantage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeez
-
09-07-2011, 02:25 PMJeez
I seem to recall steroids having something to do with giving you a physical advantage over others, even though it was illegal...
-
09-07-2011, 02:26 PMFrankReynoldsAn assumption founded in reality, but you hold on to your plans for boycott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
-
09-07-2011, 02:32 PMAshQuote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Where are your proofs? and lol at your conspiracy theory that im gonna round up all the ps2 players(judging from the info in this thread it won t be hard to find all 6 of them...) and organize a boycott. -
09-07-2011, 02:39 PMArconNo we do not. No one can know, but we can give educated guesses. I feel that SE's poll should have been "would you quit if the PS2 was canceled?". It's also an idea for their next poll, after they've determined how many PS2 users there actually are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
What exactly do you want here? I don't see what your angle is. What are you trying to get out of this argument? We know we're not going to convince you, just as you (should) know, you're not going to convince us. I've honestly lost track of what this argument is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
-
09-07-2011, 02:48 PMAshSee thats the thing i don t really consider it arguing, its more of lets assume stuff that we have no way of backing up over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
The only reason i started posting in the first place is i didn t get why there was so much animosity toward people that play on the ps2. The name calling, the poor,commoner,retards comment where really uncalled for especially since after all None of us is gonna decide what is gonna happen next.
Someone in this thread refered to "its all gonna be depending on how many japanese play on what system" Now read this thread from start to finish and tell me there is constructive critism and anything positive in it. -
09-07-2011, 06:41 PMEric
Just had to chime in to add some relevant information.
Prediction for the next update from SE: "PS2 support is being dropped. There will be a short grace period before the PS2 game client will cease to be updated. Thank you for your cooperation."Quote:
The user survey has ended.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Exactly the reason I left this thread. Everything that needs to be said has been said. Don't waste your time on these people. They don't even know what they're talking about anymore. Some people are only responding because it would hurt their "pride" if they didn't have the last word. Maybe instead of trying to prove themselves on an online forum, they should start working a few extra hours to afford that PC that they'll need when SE drops PS2 support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
EDIT: <3 you Ash. See ya around. Feel free to continue stalking me. -
09-07-2011, 06:59 PMOctavianePerhaps it would be better for people to actually get a job in the first place instead of spending every waking hour playing games and complaining about them. I am not saying people don't work, but there are a considerable number that don't. I am constantly amazed when I read posts (not here yet) from 12,13,14,15 and 16 year olds that say "I am a hardcore gamer, very mature." Ya right.Quote:
Maybe instead of trying to prove themselves on an online forum, they should start working a few extra hours to afford that PC that they'll need when SE drops PS2 support.
I have and use a PS2 and I have a laptop. I choose to keep gaming and work/real life separate and I sure don't play FFXI from work on my lunch breaks like I know so many do. Buy another system? No I won't. -
09-07-2011, 07:34 PMEconomizerIf SE does decide to finally drop PS2 support, it won't be a short grace period, it will be a long drawn out process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
-
09-07-2011, 07:39 PMVortexThey are going to have to rebuild this game if they do, and based off the massive amount of whining when servers were down for the earthquake they won't like that, and even still, i also use both systems for the very reason that i do things on pc that can't have this game running. i certainly am not going to buy a second PC just to play this game when i can already do it if they DO drop it they would have to offer a PC to everyone who uses a ps2Quote:
Originally Posted by Economizer
-
09-07-2011, 07:52 PMEconomizerNo, no, and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vortex
They will not have to rebuild the game. Changes would be gradual even in the update where they finally drop PS2 support. I imagine this would probably coincide with a new expansion, since that's about how far off I think SE would actually push dropping the PS2 even if they announced it tomorrow.
The servers wouldn't be down for more then a day or two to pull this off. Not a week, just the standard time that a very big update has. It isn't like much has to change to get massive benefits, but said changes are either not possible, or cost enough that dropping the entire PS2 userbase, even assuming that not a single one of them bothered to continue playing, would be cheaper then making more expensive to maintain spaghetti code for the PS2 version.
SE doesn't have to do crap to accommodate PS2 users. They don't owe you anything. They owe their stockholders the continued existence of the game however, given that it is very profitable, and dropping the PS2 won't kill the game, sorry to burst any bubbles. The best I can see is some sort of branded computer plan that you can buy for an additional $10 a month for two years, or some voucher plan that gives a discount, but SE isn't going to give PS2 users very much, aside from ample notice. -
09-08-2011, 01:18 AMAshAgain with the asumption than not wanting to play on a pc means you are poor...Your like the same condescending broken record and id be quite curious to know what you do for a living, if your are a home owner or rent an appartment, if you have kids ect,ect...(because you don t seem to grasp what living expenses means or what is the value of money to a working middle class person)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I find it quite amusing that is so easy for me to get to you kid, Lots of lulz have been had talking to you and if they do drop ps2 support i ll still be playing on my laptop and see if i was wrong all along or you were... -
09-08-2011, 03:44 AMRavenmore
Consoles are a cancer to ALL MMOs and should be removed as such. FF14 will be doomed this this same fate with the PS3. It might seem a novel way to draw players but lets face it that market topped out at under 500k. That is a fact since not every one at the peak of FF11 played on a Ps2. Look at WoW, EVE, EQ/EQ2, all still going strong and still getting fresh content all with out the cinder blocks tied around their like FF11 and some time in the next 2 years FF14.
I used to play on Ps2 and it was one of the last shipments of the fat PS2s and it started dieing 2 weeks ago only staying on for 20 mins. I haven't used it as my main system for some time and used it only to play ps2 games. So the time is coming when the Ps2 will simply die of its own accord.
Why continue supporting it if the amount of people playing on it will keep doing down and nothing SE can do to stop it. With PC players SE could use marketing, new full expansions updated graphics list goes on. While nothing short of buying out Sony and firing up the PS2 production lines could stop the loss from decay to the system. Its been stated over and over by the die hard PS2 fans that when their systems goes the way of old yellower they won't change over to a different system to keep playing and paying SE. So if they are unwilling to continue to supporting SE for something that will happen and SE can't do anything about it, why should SE continue to waste money on them.
To the person that state their Wal-mart still had 2 PS2 HDDs left, the reason is simple and you stated it. Being out in the middle of no where means less likely some one would buy them having only one purpose outside of Japan you bought it for FF11 that was it. -
09-08-2011, 12:22 PMAtomic_Skull
I bet one of the reasons they are looking at a Vita port of FFXI because Vita -> PS3 is easier than a direct port to the PS3 thanks to Sony's software development kit for porting Vita games over to the PS3. You don't have to deal with the PS3's pain-in-the-rear architecture, you just compile the Vita code with the software libraries Sony provides.
Even a Vita port is going to require a pretty major re-write though because it's a non windows OpenGL based platform. They can't just port over the Windows version like they did with the 360. -
09-13-2011, 02:08 AMInfiniteKarmaWell why its quite obvious you view the forms for a sick self satisfaction to get a rise out of people for your own amusement i understand fully that you would not want to upgrade if the service is already there for you on you're ps2, but when it drops and that ps2 becomes null and void what do you have to gain from this argument if you already own a laptop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash