Remove or decrease race penalties

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Originally Posted by Economizer

a rant of irrelevance

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You realize I said that subbing RDM is gimp...right?

Food for thought

1) Melees don't always stay in place for Curaga's.
2) The cost penalty of accession + Cure4 to another party.
3) Melees don't always stay in place for Curaga's.
4) It's never smart to let your melees get low enough for Curaga3 to cost 0 MP with the current game.
5) 3 second Job ability delay for Sublimation coupled with that 30 seconds + time it takes to fill up, renders it only useful for "Oshit" moments.
6) Melees don't always stay in place for Curaga's.

Did I mention, melees move around after they get hit with a knockback?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You know damn well that if all the races in this game had had the same stats back when you bought it, that you wouldn't have even noticed the difference. You would have picked whichever race seemed the coolest to you at that time and played away happily in ignorant bliss.

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Actually.. i never paid any attention to the stat diffrences between races anyway.

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Originally Posted by Maruraba

Variety is good and it should remain.

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I agree. I don't think anybody is truly in favor of totally getting rid of racial differences because they would make us lose on advantages too, but doing what Mot's suggested (closing the gap between Taru and Hume from 200 to 100) or allowing the separation of race and stat choice would allow variety to exist while still allowing us to play the race we simply enjoy playing.

This game was always about letting us play a single character because of the job system. Having race now being a determining factor for whether or not I'm being allowed to participate in endgame activities is pretty crummy.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

I agree. I don't think anybody is truly in favor of totally getting rid of racial differences because they would make us lose on advantages too, but doing what Mot's suggested (closing the gap between Taru and Hume from 200 to 100) or allowing the separation of race and stat choice would allow variety to exist while still allowing us to play the race we simply enjoy playing.

This game was always about letting us play a single character because of the job system. Having race now being a determining factor for whether or not I'm being allowed to participate in endgame activities is pretty crummy.

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That is entirely due to SE's poor planning. HP from 76~99 scaled the same as previous levels while the monsters damage output tripled. Monsters can still one / two shot my Elvann at 15/15 HP merits, Taru's just make it more noticeable. Adding 100 HP won't really change that, we (as in all races) need 30~50% more HP then we have right now.

I really don't see what an across-the-board HP increase for everyone would do other than provide a temporary solution. They insist they balance current content based on the stats we can achieve, so if they were to increase our stats they'd just make future hard content do more damage so it'd be the same as if we didn't have the HP increased to begin with.

I'm not against it though, since I do think feeling far more powerful at 99 than we did at 75 is a nice thing.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

Actually.. i never paid any attention to the stat diffrences between races anyway.

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Then this won't affect you, but it will help others out considerably.

I like the racial differences, it makes the game more dynamic.
I chose a tarutaru knowing I would never be the best Tank or DD, but knew I would make a killer Black Mage. I have friends who chose a Galka because they wanted to be the better tank. Yes thanks to gear any race can be any job, sometimes that doesn't quite work out (as mentioned earlier about the one-shotting tarutarus HENSE the term; You've been taru'd). But one idea that was tossed out there was merit category increases. What if the there was a Racial Merit group. Where each race had their own merits that would increase those stats that are low to equal that of a hume?

example;
Taru Racial:
HP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Str 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Mnd 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

where 10 is a bonus that would make the current stat equal that of a Hume.

If you are serious about changing the stats I think this would be a better idea, then just a modification.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Then this won't affect you, but it will help others out considerably.

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I said it didnt effect my race choice. Not that it doesnt effect me period.
If you want some excitment to the game then you need a heartbeat line. Not make everything flat line.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

I said it didnt effect my race choice. Not that it doesnt effect me period.
If you want some excitment to the game then you need a heartbeat line. Not make everything flat line.

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Yeah, without those racial stats we would all be exactly the same... well... that is after we dump all of our merits, de-level all of our jobs, de-level all our crafts, toss out all of our gear and erase all of our macros etc. but other than that, then yeah, These racial stats are pretty much the only thing that makes us different at all so it totally should be the most permanent decision that you ever make in the game.

Dude, there are 700 other people walking around PJ with the exact same character model as you right now. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You know damn well that if all the races in this game had had the same stats back when you bought it, that you wouldn't have even noticed the difference. You would have picked whichever race seemed the coolest to you at that time and played away happily in ignorant bliss. And if someone had suggested "I think I should be better at mage jobs than you because I'm small", you would have laughed and told him to F*** off. Years later some dummy would suggest it here on this forum and you would be arguing about what a stupid idea that is and how there are thousands of games where race / character have absolutely nothing to do with stats and players are happy about that.

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I know this wasn't directed at me, but it touches on some of the same points I made.

Of COURSE I would be complaining if originally there were no differences between races and then suddenly people argued that there should be. And I would be right to complain about it then as well because it would be forcibly changing the way people play the game to their strengths/against their weaknesses in a way that was always fundamental to the game. The race differences are a significant factor in how many people chose their characters and how skilled players choose to play now. It wouldn't be right to require them to change just because a handful of players have remorse.

Give them the option to change, just don't lump everyone into the same group.