Will there be camps in the new expansion?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

As long as they didn't do it in a silly spot where there are only a few mobs. Ulli and despot camps used to be super lame when a party of six could clear the area, and there were 3 full alliances fighting over pops.

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Don't see a problem with multi spawns at once like in Abyssea, and super fast repops, or even instant repops, so long as they don't link. I am sure it could be tweaked to have either phased areas, multiple zones, or multiple smaller areas where groups can all go at it.

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Originally Posted by vienne

Thats not what i meant. HNM is there, i'd rather see it improved to todays standards then not see it at all.

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That exists now. Abyssea, VW, and WoE. There's plenty of powerful enemies for you to fight there. They just removed the ridiculous spawn conditions. I would include Legion, but until it's fixed it doesn't really deserve a mention.

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Its good to see people come up with ideas to improve it instead of just bashing the whole idea. Ideas to make it more accesible for everyone.

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My ideas involve enemies I can fight at my leisure and in cooperation with other players. I don't know if that's at all compatible with what you're asking for. I'm not going to sit here and try to put lipstick on a pig. Sorry.

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Would you prefer new content which will be called unbalanced 10 days after its been released?

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Yes, I'd rather take my chances with something new than what I already KNOW from experience to be terrible content.

people that usually want camped HNMs back (with world spawn for 24 hours +) are usually the people that dont want to put work into their gear, but would rather let a "program" do their work, so they can go sit afk every 30 min or 1 hour.

I am fine with puttign timed HNMs that drosp absolutly NOTHING, everything else is just garbage. Oh wait we allready have HNMs that you can go kill that drop nothign worthwile! Go camp them. This Topic is totaly and utter garbage, noone wants HNMs back and the people that do: so paragraph above! That is the only reason they want it. (and to turn FFXI again into a drama bitchfest noone wants either)

Of course there is also the people that made profit from those said "Programs" that want HNMs back...

I've been done posting in these threads for a while due to the tantrum-throwing brigade, but this made me laugh:

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Originally Posted by Camiie

EQ1? Ultima Online? Asheron's Call? Something old, archaic and not up to modern MMO standards?

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"Modern MMO standards", you mean like all the recent major MMO's that end up free to play within 6 months because they're crap, casual and void of content which lasts whilst overflowing with instant gratification? Yeah! Let's go with that!

I'm actually quite content with Legion at the moment. Hope more chambers are added.

I don't know, myself I always thought the reason alot of games fail is because they are made to try knocking WoW off its throne, when the goal should be to make a successful game in its own right. So far as I can tell FFXI has done that well, its a good game, it has been played for years, it isn't meant to kill WoW or be bigger, but its meant to be successful, and it somewhat is.

An example of this is TOR, it does not feel like a game that was in the making as long as it was, and it has alot of players lost already, its going F2P soon. If I remember right there was all this talk of it being a WoW killer, and it would be a great huge MMO, and now its only been out a short time in a MMOs lifespan and yet, dying already. I think the reason for things like this is the companies lose focus on making a game that everyone wants to play and will be successful, and instead they try to topple the giant that is WoW.

If you work in an office, and your goal is to 1-up someone in a big high paying spot in the place, you can very easily do a bad job. Instead you could just be working hard, focusing on yourself rather than trying to better someone else, and its much easier to succeed.

Just because people slate games as "something made to challenge WoW" - it doesn't mean its what the developers intended. In addition to this - what's wrong with trying to match the best in the market? The truth is that WoW does it well - and in cases of most new MMO's, it does it better too.

FFXI got where it was because it was out before WoW, and is incredibly different to WoW - but now people are asking it to be made like WoW, something you think causes games to fail... makes no sense to me, but to each his own.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

"Modern MMO standards", you mean like all the recent major MMO's that end up free to play within 6 months because they're crap, casual and void of content which lasts whilst overflowing with instant gratification? Yeah! Let's go with that!

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You're conveniently ignoring the ones that are highly or even moderately successful, both paid and F2P.

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I'm actually quite content with Legion at the moment. Hope more chambers are added.

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I'm sure you are. It's still an incredible waste to create content that the vast majority of players aren't meant to be able to clear.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I don't know, myself I always thought the reason alot of games fail is because they are made to try knocking WoW off its throne, when the goal should be to make a successful game in its own right.

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A lot of games try to be like WoW, but end up not getting the "feel" right. Many of them are done on the cheap so it's no wonder they end up with clunky game play, poor graphics, or just don't flow properly.

Another problem is the sheer glut of MMOs out there. Even the ones that are well designed are going to have trouble gaining a foothold in the sort of market MMOs create. Most people, due to time and money constraints are going to only be playing one or maybe two MMOs at any given time. Not only that, but there's a very strong attachment factor with MMOs. It's hard to pull people away from something they've poured a lot of time and effort into and built friendships within.

Name a recent MMO that's highly successful. Please, do it.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

Name a recent MMO that's highly successful. Please, do it.

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First, I said "modern" not recent. There's a not so subtle difference there. There's only one highly successful MMO in the western world and we all know what it is. It's not recent, but it's far more modern than FFXI will ever be.

Fine, other than WoW, name a "modern MMO" that's successful. Equally as challenging, I think.

Point I make is, this games success depends on its originality, pushing to have it become as close to WoW as possible will result in it ending up like other games that tried/were assumed to have tried the same thing.

I don't post this in favour of HNM, just to be clear on that front.. but this whole "let's make everything easy as piss" dealio isn't helping. And no, "tough" does not equal "inaccessible", "tough" doesn't have to be "exclusive", as Legion shows. It's thoroughly accessible. No camping required.