So if you have phorcys body and Ogiers breeches... then wont Twilight body be the best ws peice for Catastrophe and Entropy? Since the ws dmg from both peices dosent stack? Or maybe phorcys body and huggin hose nq/hq version be a better combo?
DRK is 3x more OP than vanilla WAR's Ukko's Fury
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08-22-2012, 02:41 PMArmangetto
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08-22-2012, 05:54 PMsaevelThey do stack, they just only apply on first hit. Makes the WS DMG+ useless for WS's like Resolution / Entropy, but still useful for high fTP one hit WS's like Cata. I don't know what DRK can get for INT/AGI in the leg department, I'm thinking INT+12 but I could be wrong. Ogier might be better if your not capping attack. Phorcy's body is a harder sell, it's basically a ton of attack and WS DMG +5% vs AGI +15 INT +15 on a 40/40 WS. Would depend on your attack situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armangetto
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08-23-2012, 01:47 AMArmangetto
Thanks for clearing that up. I dont think theres a leg armor that has int and agi on them that drk can use. The best I can think of would be Huginn hose (DEF:52 HP+50 MP+50 STR+10 VIT+10 INT+10 MND+10 Accuracy+12 Attack+16) Those might be best for entropy. I dont know it they would beat Ogiers for Cata.
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08-24-2012, 12:35 AMTaint2
Phorcys+Ogier for Catastrophe and Scourge.
Phorcys+Bale+2 for Resolution.
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08-24-2012, 04:41 AMwish12ozEverything I ever saw said Phorcys is 7%, and the floor 80 body is 5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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08-24-2012, 08:40 AMsaevelYour correct, I was thinking the floor 80 piece for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
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08-28-2012, 04:28 AMRezeak
going back to the legion thingy.
On the second wave of Mul(teir2) the mobs seem to have a -crit% since all our DRKs and WARs had a 0-3% crit rate on them and since the weapon + base + merit for my rag is +21% min crit rate it seems they have a -20%-30% crit rate applied to them.
Also Acc wasn't capped w/ Aggressor + 2h Blade mad + Hunters + Ragna
Either way kinda pushes Great sword use over Ukons drastically also admittedly we still have WAR/s for Tomahawk but wave 1 they Ukons and wave 2 they use ragna. -
08-28-2012, 07:50 AMwish12ozQuote:
Originally Posted by Rezeak
Mul, wave2+3 only. Ukonvasara99, Hasso, Aggressor, 1 Madrigal, sometimes feint, and this TP set:Code:Melee Damage
Player Melee Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg
Kaerin 41856 0 41856 41.84 % 154/10 93.90 % 93.90 % 0/598 228.49 236.43
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/255456
94% Accuracy is within the error range of 95% ACC given that its a small sample size, but clearly, my accuracy is capped, or so close to it that it doesn't matter and a few parses won't help. (Accuracy caps at 95%)
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Originally Posted by Rezeak
While the -Crit trait seems to be true for wave 2+3 in Mul, and makes Ukon not better than Ragnarok for just those specific mobs, Ukonvasara is better for everything else inside and outside Legion. And WAR with Ragnarok will be better than DRK with Ragnarok if the WAR can cap attack +8%, and since no one really knows how much attack you need for these mobs, continuing this discussion is pointless.Code:Melee Crit Damage
Player #Crit C.Low/Hi C-0.Avg Crit%
Kaerin 35 209/725 419.03 22.73 %
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08-28-2012, 11:25 AMRezeak
I'm guessing it was an unlucky Hunters roll but my avg was like 92% but it was capped on a couple and 88% ish on others.
Since you didn't estimate white DMG
Ur set has 18% da + 15% + 15%~ (war roll)
= 48% Da
so 148% attack * 153 * 1.3 * 1.7 = 499.8
crits add roughly 110 dmg
So 148% * 110 * 1.3 * 0.2(this is wars increase over drk) = 42.32
so 499.8 + 42.3 = 524 dmg per attack round
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DRK
14% Da + 5% QA and 2% Ta + 10 Da + 15 Da
so 5% QA + 2% ta + 39% Da
5% QA adds 15% more attack
2% ta adds 4% more attack * 0.95 = 3.8%
39% da adds 39% attacks * 0.95 * 0.98 = 36.3%
So 15+3.8+36.3 = 55.1
So 155% attacks
1.55*143*1.7 = 376.8
O2.5xD
143*1.7*1.5*0.13 = 47
So 423.8 DMG an attack round
+ Souleater
160*0.33 = 52
=476.6
+ Factor in delay
=482/444 = 1.086
1.086*476.6 = 517 Total for DMG per attack round for DRK.
So WAR has more white DMG by 1.3% (can add like +2%-3% more to WAR since i missed a few things)
before you account for the 6% more attack speed reduction that DRK gets pushing DRK to 549 DMG per attack round vs WARs 524
Either way the way i did this is pretty rough so hard to say DRK > WAR but it's rough enough to show DRK is at the same lvl as WAR for white DMG.
As for WS rate in your tp setup you should be getting a 6 hit even w/ the + 12 tp from embrava
For DRK/WAR i six hit ever time i get 2 ticks from embrava w/ 32 store tp in gear
While i'd say it isn't a 100% 6 hit it is a well over 80% 6 hit rate
so i guess i have a 0.8*6 + 0.2*7 =
4.8+1.4 = 6.2 hit
431*5.2*0.2 = 448.24 delay for DRK per ws
482*5*0.2125 = 512.1 delay for WAR per WS
So DRK still WSs 14% faster than WAR (+4% more for multi attack)
If WAR can 5 hit Ukon while keeping haste capped it would be interesting to see u'd need 25 store tp in gear /SAM for WAR to 5 hit.
No idea what stats you'd sacrifice tho
Is the set i used for the calcQuote:
Originally Posted by Rezeak
Either way like i said WAR seems to -5 to 5% white DMG and 4-14% less WS DMG than DRK just from the maths I've roughly done (reflected in 10% error bars)
feel free to put the data here in a more detail calculation as ya did before but i'm sure it'll come out roughly the same unless you what to ignore the way i obtain a 6 hit on DRK
Which is were i came to the point i came to before WAR and DRK are on the same lvl
I would use both for legion
WAR for Tomahawk and mighty strikes for bosses
DRK for the abilty to SE to strongest mob in a wave so that it can increase it's DMG when needed the most.
I also look forward to En-tpdrain 2hr for DRK being able to increase WS rate drastically and reduce a mobs WS rate at the same time -
08-28-2012, 03:54 PMwish12oz
If you watch my Legion videos you can clearly see my WAR rocks a 2 or 3 hit inside Legion, DRKs gonna be 3-4.