New Jobs - Will you aby burn or no?

I can understand someone leeching a job on a new char that they've already learned to play, but, it doesn't remove the fact that the skills will be under leveled. I leveled WHM, BRD, BST, BLM, and PLD the old school way, before Abyssea. Spent 5 years endgame on WHM. And as any old school WHM should, would remove status effects before a tank even knew they had it. Today.....post mass leeching........the tanks always have to ask for paralyna, silena, stona, or w/e. This is not single isolated instances, on every group activity anymore it's the same thing. Occasionally, there will be old schoolers on critical jobs, and it shows.

I'm not the best, player, nor the best geared player, but at least I can say I know the nuances of each job I play. And, yes, you CAN learn it after the fact, but learning to play a job when others are relying on you to already know your job only wastes everyone else's time.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Opening chests gets you to 99 faster so you have more time to use on skilling up, so in a way, yes. I level to 99 in less than a day and then spend a few hours skilling (unless it turns out to be as annoying as summoning skill, but I guarantee you that won't skill any faster in a real EXP party either). You, on the other hand, waste weeks of playtime just to get to 99 a different way, and you still won't be capped and will have to skill seperately (or take breaks from leveling to skill up in between).

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Do you think your useful to the Party while Opening chests? Cuz every other Level 90 Dude could trade a Key? On the other Hand.... I can stay in Abys, Solo, without Keys,
if im 90-99 so really... All you would need is 6 Ppl 90+ not 18 (12 of which are Leeches)

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It's definitely not true. Playing in a "real" party, as you so casually call it, teaches you nothing relevant to endgame at all. Good players will be good, regardless of they get to 99. Bad players will be bad, regardless of how they get to 99.

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However you learn how manage your hate, also...to use the abyitys if you think about it. Whats with the new players, they learn how to play by 99? Since they can't do anything beside GoV with 18 ppl, they naturally play like trash.

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I've leveled plenty of jobs in slow EXP parties, my first being PLD. You know what those wasted months taught me? "Provoke on timer and WS when/if you have TP."

My question to you, do you consider that a relevant skill? And if so, why do you think it would take me months to learn it?

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You Learned how to Cover, you learnd to cure someone to Grab hate quickly, You probably learned how to SC, You maybe learned to time your Flash for Tp moves (like Pecking Fury)

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Why would you fight difficult mobs to EXP on? EXP mobs have always been chosen so they pose little threat to the party. You apparently don't think so. So let me ask you another question: if you think EXP mobs should be challenging to get real experience on, why wouldn't you leech to 99 and get real experience on endgame events in the same time? Why do you want to get that experience at lower levels instead of higher levels? Do you think your brain learns these things faster while your character is still low?

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Yes mobs have been chosen so that they would give you high Exp while being not so threatening, however, you were not fighting trash IT-IT+ so any Mob could like 3 Shot some average DD. Now its what 15 shot?

I recall Exp Party on Cats in LoO . That was the real test for any Whm or /Whm
or Garliage Citadell for pullers by 34~ (Nearly as bad as pulling Dyna-Tav by 75)
So now you miss out on a lot of experinces.

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You seem to think that real experience is worth more than experience points for your character, and I agree. Yet you seem to think that they're related. Why? Your character level is just a number. And real experience you'll always get easier and better during real endgame events rather than on challenging EXP mobs, whatever those may be.

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What is called endgame atm is well weird, say VW you can like throw 18 ppl on something and win except for some cases where 4 WHMs cure a DD till it dies.
its like Gov only that it needs more ppl, doesnt teach you more or less, but at least Enmity works on Lower Levels. So for me i'd say the pre Abys Lvls are the learing ones.

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Originally Posted by Eri

Do you think your useful to the Party while Opening chests? Cuz every other Level 90 Dude could trade a Key? On the other Hand.... I can stay in Abys, Solo, without Keys,
if im 90-99 so really... All you would need is 6 Ppl 90+ not 18 (12 of which are Leeches)

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This should be obvious: 18 people kill far faster than 6 and whoever is opening chests is not killing stuff. You have to stop killing to pop chests. Level 90 characters don't trade keys any better than level 30 characters. Hence the "leech" is actually helping the party just as much as anyone else would have.

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Originally Posted by Eri

However you learn how manage your hate, also...to use the abyitys if you think about it. Whats with the new players, they learn how to play by 99? Since they can't do anything beside GoV with 18 ppl, they naturally play like trash.

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Too bad no one cares about managing hate at level 99.

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Originally Posted by Eri

You Learned how to Cover, you learnd to cure someone to Grab hate quickly, You probably learned how to SC, You maybe learned to time your Flash for Tp moves (like Pecking Fury)

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You should be able to learn how to do all those things in about ten seconds of reading your wiki of choice. If it takes several weeks of partying to grasp basic concepts then the player will probably be a trash player regardless of which path he / she takes to gain xp. Killing thousands of crabs and beetles will not cure learning disabilities (it may have a soothing affect on ADD sufferers though :P).

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Originally Posted by Jingizu

I can understand someone leeching a job on a new char that they've already learned to play, but, it doesn't remove the fact that the skills will be under leveled. I leveled WHM, BRD, BST, BLM, and PLD the old school way, before Abyssea. Spent 5 years endgame on WHM. And as any old school WHM should, would remove status effects before a tank even knew they had it. Today.....post mass leeching........the tanks always have to ask for paralyna, silena, stona, or w/e. This is not single isolated instances, on every group activity anymore it's the same thing. Occasionally, there will be old schoolers on critical jobs, and it shows.

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It was always like this. The vast majority of WHMs I've dealt with, before Abyssea was even on the drawing board, couldn't keep up with hastes or status removals. It was always so refreshing to find one who bothered to do more than spam cures.

You could say bad WHM play is more prevalent now, but I think it has more to do with people leveling WHM without a true interest in the job than how they're leveling it. They're just leveling it for the sake of convenience, so their heart isn't really in learning the nuances of the job.

Abyssea. . Of course. :)

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

This should be obvious: 18 people kill far faster than 6 and whoever is opening chests is not killing stuff. You have to stop killing to pop chests. Level 90 characters don't trade keys any better than level 30 characters. Hence the "leech" is actually helping the party just as much as anyone else would have.

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Every single Party in abysea i had in none Jp time was horrible exp.
And how hard is it for any DD to trade a freakin key to a chest via macro?
U are sir are Lazy. Leeches are useless. In a Party with player doing chest i got Tripple the exp. Evidently noone went afk too but u see where im heading.

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Too bad no one cares about managing hate at level 99.

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You can't at the moment. SE screwed up mayjorly on Enmity. But then again, they'll bring it back before long.
And what happens by then? Wait nothing? Probably cuz ppl cant fight mobs stronger than DC (with 18 ppl).

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You should be able to learn how to do all those things in about ten seconds of reading your wiki of choice. If it takes several weeks of partying to grasp basic concepts then the player will probably be a trash player regardless of which path he / she takes to gain xp. Killing thousands of crabs and beetles will not cure learning disabilities (it may have a soothing affect on ADD sufferers though :P).

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Well some ppl take longer. Some ppl might even learn what to dispel when to use which debuff, and some blackmage might even not start a fight with their biggest nuke. Might be wishful thinking.

Nope! Won't even unlock them. :P

The reason xp parties probably suck is because of leveling. People need good atma, and gear, for parties to go faster, if everyone is using subpar atma, with pink/perle, xp will be bad. Also if people are under leveled, it causes much of the same. Keyers do help parties when good people are in the parties, if I am in a party and killing a work every 10 seconds solo, it is better I keep killing, instead of stopping for 3 seconds to put a key in a box, after waiting for my weapon to be put away as well. If the party is bad, or slow, keyers should not be in the party, the party needs extra speed and the people are apparently weaker than they need be, so to key a chest for a few seconds is no big loss.

Leveling at lower levels helps some, but not much, alot of the things you might learn have no relevance in the game now, such as enmity, enfeebling, and the like. It is easier to learn the lv99 function of a job when you have all of the abilities at your disposal, rather than gradually getting them slowly, but never learning their end functions. Leveling in old parties are good for somethings, but overall will take alot of time, this time could be better spent learning about events that are done in the game, learning what that job will be doing in abyssea, learning how to play it in the current atmosphere of the game.

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You can't at the moment. SE screwed up mayjorly on Enmity. But then again, they'll bring it back before long.
And what happens by then? Wait nothing? Probably cuz ppl cant fight mobs stronger than DC (with 18 ppl).

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SE has said they will possibly be making changes to enmity, but in such a way that to me, it sounds like even if you were to learn its functions now, it may not be exactly the same later. If changed to much, then you will have learned this broken enmity system, but will be as clueless as everyone else when it is changed. As for people not being able to kill mobs stronger than DC with 18 people, thats not because they cant, its because there is no reason to. Why kill something IT when it gives the same xp as something DC or EP? There is no reason, 1 dies faster, easier, and is just as rewarding.

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Originally Posted by Meyi

Nope! Won't even unlock them. :P

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I'm guessing your a NA PS2 player. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Eri

Every single Party in abysea i had in none Jp time was horrible exp.
And how hard is it for any DD to trade a freakin key to a chest via macro?
U are sir are Lazy. Leeches are useless. In a Party with player doing chest i got Tripple the exp. Evidently noone went afk too but u see where im heading.

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No, I don't see where your heading. I think you misunderstand how XP works in abbysea.