To the devs!

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Originally Posted by Mageoholic

Id wager SE ignores RDM because every time a discussion comes up it devolves into a dick waving contest about melee. Guess what our melee is pretty decent at the moment, it isn't the best but there are a bunch of jobs who aren't the best, and some of those jobs can only melee. So suck it up.

To the Devs:

You gotta do something here its been about 8 years since you gave us any real attention.

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Yes and no.

Buff wise our melee is mostly fine, what we're lacking is gear. We have no body TP piece over level 75, and the rest of our stuff is generic AH stuff that are subpar to what the other light armor class melee's have (BLU/NIN/THF/DNC/PUP/ect..). We're asking to be put on that gear. We don't need the stuff for WAR/PLD/DRK/DRG/SAM/BST. Enspells need a little tweaking due to them not scaling past 75 like they should of.

The debates on melee have more to do with "should a RDM be able to melee" not our actual capacity to melee, regardless of the straw-man arguments the naysayers put up. Some of us feel RDM's should be able to melee in most if not all content, others feel RDM should not melee and instead wield a staff and "support".

There is no doubt from anyone that buffs to all aspects need to happen. Better / more useful enfeebles, better heals and better access to melee gear.

Saevel I think you missed the point.

Instead of trying to turn this into melee discussion 10,000, why don't you go wander into one of those threads and discuss it there. You keep blocking people for trolling, yet every time you post its to bitch about how SE hasn't spoonfed you your daily dose of wannabe epeen, you are the biggest troll here, disrupting nearly every thread you post in, devolving it to a melee pissing match. RDM melee is a tool used in low man, low-medium content difficulty, the rest of the job is falling into shambles and we want to know what the plans SE has to fix it.

When a BRD/RDM can function as a support job as well as RDM main can, using our own spells and abilities, something is wrong, and needs to be addressed. I want to know why a BRD/RDM can heal as well as me, last nearly as long casting as me, use my buffs/convert, and then on top of that get max efficiency from their buffs. I honestly could give a rats ass why my melee isn't topping charts, it doesn't need to, because none of the single hand jobs are asked to come as melee DD's, if you need a melee DD you get a 2 hander. (but that is for a general discussion on balance issues within the melee system itself)

Melee is in a much better spot than 60% of our job, stop bitching about it. We all know SE lacks the ability to focus on more then one aspect of a job at a time. So let the fix our healing first, its a bloody disgrace that my Cure 4 heals as well as someone getting it from a sub job.

You know every time i read these forums lately, i get more the feeling we are mostly the cause for the lacking updates as of late just as much as the devs. Lets face it, look at the temper update, those that didnt like melee rdm really raged over that. It comes down to them being afraid of us. If they buff only melee, those looking for magic updates cry out in protest. If they buff only magic, the melee croud will revolt for melee being neglected yet again. Damned if you do, damned if you dont, and the devs are likely scared that even a mutual buff will be misunderstood by us to be either too melee or mage heavy, and we will start a riot. Reminds me of that one computer animated casper the friendly ghost movie where he goes to school. "If we scare the fleshies too much they will say "HEY You're scaring us to much!" and they will rise up against us, but if we dont scare them enough, they wont fear us and will rise up against us, we must maintain the balance" And, well, as a community, intelectual or not, we are admittedly a rather scary, disagreeable bunch! At this point i think id get more compromise at a debate over political issues than over redmage..

It's the natural consequence of having two starving lions in a den and only throwing in a scrap of bone once or twice a year.

Keep the lions fed and they won't give a damn about each other.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It's the natural consequence of having two starving lions in a den and only throwing in a scrap of bone once or twice a yearDECADE.

Keep the lions fed and they won't give a damn about each other.

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fixed for accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It's the natural consequence of having two starving lions in a den and only throwing in a scrap of bone once or twice a year.

Keep the lions fed and they won't give a damn about each other.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Mageoholic

Saevel I think you missed the point.

Instead of trying to turn this into melee discussion 10,000, why don't you go wander into one of those threads and discuss it there. You keep blocking people for trolling, yet every time you post its to bitch about how SE hasn't spoonfed you your daily dose of wannabe epeen, you are the biggest troll here, disrupting nearly every thread you post in, devolving it to a melee pissing match. RDM melee is a tool used in low man, low-medium content difficulty, the rest of the job is falling into shambles and we want to know what the plans SE has to fix it.

When a BRD/RDM can function as a support job as well as RDM main can, using our own spells and abilities, something is wrong, and needs to be addressed. I want to know why a BRD/RDM can heal as well as me, last nearly as long casting as me, use my buffs/convert, and then on top of that get max efficiency from their buffs. I honestly could give a rats ass why my melee isn't topping charts, it doesn't need to, because none of the single hand jobs are asked to come as melee DD's, if you need a melee DD you get a 2 hander. (but that is for a general discussion on balance issues within the melee system itself)

Melee is in a much better spot than 60% of our job, stop bitching about it. We all know SE lacks the ability to focus on more then one aspect of a job at a time. So let the fix our healing first, its a bloody disgrace that my Cure 4 heals as well as someone getting it from a sub job.

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Umm no. You started the melee discussion 10,000 by taking a swipe at it, as usual.

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Id wager SE ignores RDM because every time a discussion comes up it devolves into a dick waving contest about melee. Guess what our melee is pretty decent at the moment, it isn't the best but there are a bunch of jobs who aren't the best, and some of those jobs can only melee. So suck it up.

To the Devs:

You gotta do something here its been about 8 years since you gave us any real attention.

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Then go about your typical anti-melee agenda. It's our least updated side, what your feeling about the support / enfeebling aspects is what anyone who attempted to play a hybrid RDM felt since 2003/2004.

If you don't start sh!t, I won't continue it.

ITT: melee enthusiasts are anti-melee.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It's the natural consequence of having two starving lions in a den and only throwing in a scrap of bone once or twice a year.

Keep the lions fed and they won't give a damn about each other.

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HA! good stuff..

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Then go about your typical anti-melee agenda.

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Me Anti-Melee? Obviously you have no idea who I am do you. Cid could probably fill you in, but he is a blisted troll right.

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It's out least updated side

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are you high? RDM hasn't had a meaningful casting upgrade since it got refresh. It has been 8 years since out buff/debuffing actually received a make over. It has been 4 years since our enfeebles were actually useful, and our enhancing is a joke. (on anyone but ourselves.) Our melee has always been mediocre at best, exactly where it belongs, until Single handed DD's can gear swap into 900+ DMG nuking sets, or 600HP healing sets it shall always be right where it belongs.

I don't know why you are obsessed with wasting time discussing a topic that has been beaten to death over the last decade, and has in recent years received a great many buffs.

When was the last time our healing was buffed? Why can jobs sub Cure 4 and heal as well as us???? Isn't that a little more important then being one of a dozen melee, or better yet one of 7 melee that get passed over presently because on 4-5 are actually worth putting on a mob to DD.

Why have all of our recent buffs been restricted to ourselves and can't even be accessioned. Isn't that a better question to have answered then "Why do we have to use a level 75 body piece for our melee TP set.?". Why can't I give that SAM or DRG 13% DA, why can't I give them 25 STR? I can sure as hell haste there ass, but so can any job /whm or /rdm.

Why do our enfeebles suck so much, why are they all hit or miss, why has this issue that has been evident for years not been addressed, isn't that a little more important to ask then "why can't we have new daggers SE!!!!!"

Melee has received in no particular order in terms of direct improvements, Aoelian Edge, Death Blossom, Requis..., Extener...., CDC, Temper, Composure, change to Enspell macc calculations, Enspell IIs.

my buffing has received Refresh II
my debuffing has received Sabatour, Addle, Break
my nuking has received T4's MABIII

even those combined is less overall increase then what melee has received since ToAU.

Which begs to question again, why the hell do you bring melee up in every thread you post in. There are a bunch of issues much more important to the job then the small matters with melee. So again why don't you go to one of the 10,000 melee threads and rant and rave about having to wear a level 75 body to cap gear haste. Some of us are actually concerned for the whole job, not some gimmicky crap that is fun to do in situational events.