Thanks for Temper SE

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that's when you start creating controlled situations so you can parse to actually show some data. Basically, if you've got no data on how good it is, a lot of people just aren't going to believe you (or shouldn't).

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That is not what you asked, you asked for parsed data from the NM fights I did as RDM/DRK. I'm not stopping the shell to gather data, we don't have time to screw around, too much to do, to little time to do it in. I've tried to gather what I could but it was worthless, varied dramatically from fight to fight (the RDM and all the regular DDs) and the "best" DD's were the PLD's and THF's, every single time. This is one of those things that theory crafting works better then parsing.

Plus I wasn't there as RDM/DRK for melee DD, I was there because we needed things stunned. My assigned roles were Refresh II on PLD x 2 / WHM, Slow II on the NM's and Dia III to speed up the fights. Instead of standing in the back as RDM/BLM doing these things I came RDM/DRK in a melee setup to do these things. Got enough TP so that when the kill order is given I would run forward and LRSE CDC then whack away with everyone else, usually only long enough to get a single WS off before the monster exploded.

Also you realize you realize I'd be "competing" against other Emp wielders, and no matter how much I tweak my build I'll never hit what I could on BLU, much less what the WARs SAMs, DRKs and MNKs hit with their crazy gear.

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Originally Posted by saevel

I've tried to gather what I could but it was worthless, varied dramatically from fight to fight

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how?

You think I'm bashing you and I'm really not, but you come in trying to claim something is decent and when I ask for something more than just "hey I hit some nice WS" then you get all bent out of shape and can't give any answer to it.


I just simply can't believe that if you are curing/hasting/refreshing like you stated that rdm sub anything is going to be worth mentioning at all.

Basically I'm asking proof of your claims that you made it so it was "decent" because I simply don't believe it.

If you have so much to do and so little time to do it, try not bringing so many people to the same NM that you have people sitting around on the sidelines sucking each other's lollipops half the time instead of being productive. Also 2 Paladins.

Edit: Can't even tell what content that's supposed to be on from any of your posts. Are we talking Voidwatch or Abyssea or what?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Edit: Can't even tell what content that's supposed to be on from any of your posts. Are we talking Voidwatch or Abyssea or what?

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I'm attempting to use my mystic powers of divination to determine what he's fighting, since he's not mentioning it. Give me a moment to connect with the spirit world.

The monster was described as a "big nasty". Stun was needed. Procs were needed. The main form of damage was apparently physical, with the monster possibly resisting magical damage. It was possibly annoying for a melee job to tank, but I'm less confident of this. The house of Aquarius is currently aligned with the space station. These chicken bones are telling me that I'm a fat loser who ate a dozen hot wings for dinner last night.

I assume he was fighting Apadamek with an outside chance of Orthus if in Abyssea. I don't have enough experience to make a guess about which VoidWatch NM it could be, but something in Abyssea seems more likely with the current information, particularly the time frame in which the monster died after being engaged.

Of course, there's always a chance he's about to say "We were fighting Sobek, the deadliest of all Bugards!" and I'll fall out of my chair laughing.

Very possible. It's just the mention of Paladins and Stuns and whatnot had me thinking it might have been Voidwatch for a moment. The whole "LRSE CDC doing 1500-2000" thing hinted at a lack of Abyssea buffs too. At least, I sure hope so.

I can't imagine bringing that much firepower to bear on anything else. Yet at the same time I really can't quite imagine a Rdm/Drk managing to actually hit anything in Voidwatch either. What in the world is going on here?

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I'm attempting to use my mystic powers of divination to determine what he's fighting, since he's not mentioning it. Give me a moment to connect with the spirit world.

The monster was described as a "big nasty". Stun was needed. Procs were needed. The main form of damage was apparently physical, with the monster possibly resisting magical damage. It was possibly annoying for a melee job to tank, but I'm less confident of this. The house of Aquarius is currently aligned with the space station. These chicken bones are telling me that I'm a fat loser who ate a dozen hot wings for dinner last night.

I assume he was fighting Apadamek with an outside chance of Orthus if in Abyssea. I don't have enough experience to make a guess about which VoidWatch NM it could be, but something in Abyssea seems more likely with the current information.

Of course, there's always a chance he's about to say "We were fighting Sobek, the deadliest of all Bugards!" and I'll fall out of my chair laughing.

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you forgot also that the mob died within 30 seconds so it was too fast to bother parsing.

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Originally Posted by Helel

This game, and any game really, is all about efficiency, and RDM will make your group more efficient. There is no other job with refresh II. That alone will make your mages more efficient. Dia 3 is essentially a +15% attack boost to all physical damage.

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So why aren't you inviting a Bard instead?

Because you can't have both since their buffs/debuffs conflict clearly.

Seems like there was a translation error between the Jp and NA RDM manifesto. The JP manifesto says Rdm is great at self buff and enfeebling so temperance being the way it is makes a lot more sense.

Not that I agree with the current state of Rdm. Just pointing that translation out.

Also, this was done with Google translation so its just a really rough idea of what was being said. Lol

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Originally Posted by Feliciaa

Seems like there was a translation error between the Jp and NA RDM manifesto. The JP manifesto says Rdm is great at self buff and enfeebling so temperance being the way it is makes a lot more sense.

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You made me curious, so I decided to do a translation:

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自己強化と単体強化に優れ、弱体魔法を誰よりも上手く使いこなすジョブ

Concept:
Capable of strengthening self and others to new levels of power (優れ, or sugure, is a conjugation of sugureru or "to excel"), with unsurpassed skill with enfeebling magic.

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You're right. Temper does go in line with what the manifesto was going for...in Japanese. The rest of the manifesto is close enough, as it mentions the fact that enfeebles are of questionable use against NMs, and will make adjustments to help fix it. The guys that translated the RDM part to English overdid it.