The Mysteries of Vana 'Diel

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

This is a tough one.

If we assume Doggvdegg fell into the Crystal line after the battle with him in the WOTG Sandy mission then it's possible he remained there in limbo until the Al'taieu crystal became linked to the system during the events of CoP.

It isn't exactly impossible seeing as Lion pulled off a similar stunt that sidelined her from the conclusion of Zilart until the post-CoP followup in Apocalypse Nigh.

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Apollyon is the Greek word for Abbadon, which is Hebrew for "Place of Destruction" or "The Depths of Hell". Temenos originally meant an area set aside for the worship of gods, but has come to mean the plane of a deity.

I think that Limbus is one of the afterlives of Vana'diel.

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Originally Posted by Horadrim

Pulling something out of my ass?

Divine Magic is radiant. Divine Magic is derived from elements which radiate energy, making it easier to generate an "area of effect" -- pun intended.

Dark Magic is the exact opposite. It absorbs light, and has a tendency to collapse in on itself. Making it harder to expand it into an effect that spread across an area. That's why Absorb/Aspir/Absorb-Stat abilities draw from one place and "collapse" into another as single target.

How did I do? lol

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XD quite well I would say.

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Originally Posted by Septimus

Apollyon is the Greek word for Abbadon, which is Hebrew for "Place of Destruction" or "The Depths of Hell". Temenos originally meant an area set aside for the worship of gods, but has come to mean the plane of a deity.

I think that Limbus is one of the afterlives of Vana'diel.

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I think the Heaven/Hell comparison is only meant to be cosmetic.

In reality, Apollyon is the Promyvion of the Al'taieu Crystal. The Emptiness surrounding the crystal has created an area of exploration culminating in the battle with Proto-Omega which was last active during the battle against Bahamut.

I seem to recall a Quasilumin explaining why exactly both Apollyon and Temenos are populated with monsters. I'll have to look that up shortly.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I think the Heaven/Hell comparison is only meant to be cosmetic.

In reality, Apollyon is the Promyvion of the Al'taieu Crystal. The Emptiness surrounding the crystal has created an area of exploration culminating in the battle with Proto-Omega which was last active during the battle against Bahamut.

I seem to recall a Quasilumin explaining why exactly both Apollyon and Temenos are populated with monsters. I'll have to look that up shortly.

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I guess I should have been more clear. I meant that Apollyon and Temenos are both types of hell which is why they are both full of very bad things.

Originally Apollyon and Temenos were called "Lower Promyvion" and "Ou'Hpat Obelisk" respectively. In the update that ushered in Limbus (or maybe the one right before it, it has been a while) the names were changed to what they are now. (Nag'molada mentions Ou'Hpat Obelisk in one of the cutscenes even after the name changes.) That really doesn't have much to do with this discussion, just a neat bit of trivia since you mentioned Apollyon being Al'taieu's Promyvion.

Ah, I missed the point a bit.

soooooo goin' into limbus (limbo?) then to apollyon or temnos is like the FFXI version of Dante's Inferno? can we call it Bubeeky's Inferno instead?

We can visit six of them, and a seventh has been accounted for, but where is the Light Protocrystal? Weather suggests Qufim Island somewhere.

What's up with the three "failed" elements, the ones associated with the carmine, cerulean and gray chips and the malfunctioning/broken ancient apparatuses?

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

We can visit six of them, and a seventh has been accounted for, but where is the Light Protocrystal? Weather suggests Qufim Island somewhere.

What's up with the three "failed" elements, the ones associated with the carmine, cerulean and gray chips and the malfunctioning/broken ancient apparatuses?

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The Light Protocrystal is a good question. Alexander is the odd man out with the Celestial Avatars, outside of summoning, he only manifests in vessels. (And even as a summon he manifests in the form of his last vessel.) It is possible that the in-story reason for the lack of a Light Protocrystal is that it was lost when the Gordeus went supernova in the last Ragnarok, but even then he was summoned in a vessel, so it is hard to say. It is possible that the Light Protocrystal could be under Qufim, the basement of Lower Delkfutt's Tower could lead to deeper levels that we cannot reach where it could exist in cannon.

I would hazard a guess that the three non-functioning ancient apparatuses were something that they planned on using but never got around to. Maybe they were going to add a fourth one in an expansion zone and give them level 2 skillchain properties. In the Jeuno quest data files there are unused quests for each of the 8 elements called "Mystery of (Element)". It is thought that this was how we were originally supposed to operate the Strange Apparatuses, but even that leaves out the three non-functioning ones. It is always possible that they might remember that they exist and decide to add in something for them later.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

If you're talking about "Strange apparatus", They're used in a mini-quest to get items like the Arcane Flower pot, Rune Weapons, Cermet, and Crystal Clusters.



Decoration i think :X, some of them have prisoners inside.



Gusgen? If i recall it was explained during the Bastok quests.

It used to be a heavy Mining area for Bastok, However on one day, it was something along the lines of "Visit your parents" Day, where the children came to the mines to see their dads in work. Then a fiend cause a colossal cave-in throughout the mines which trapped/killed everyone inside. The ~8 NM ghosts are named after Workers and the way in which they died, the spirits you see floating around are the Miners and their Children's ghosts.

The NM that caused it was Juggler Hecatomb, it spawns every ~21/24 In the basement. If you notice when you go to the basement, theres actually a gigantic hole in the ceiling (Which you can drop down from above right onto the NM), This is how he caused the tremors/cave-in.

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See!! THIS is what makes this game brilliant! :)

how come there arnt any mixed children in the game besides Lilisette?
u know like:
elvaan + mithra
hume + taru
elvaan + taru? O_o wtf?
mithra + taru
hume + mithra