Scholar adjustments: Recall and Retrace

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Originally Posted by Sotek

To sum up what I'm saying;
If they can't be asked to change one damn number in their coding to make Libra usable - though still fairly worthless - why would they bother implementing something that could be called a breakthrough?

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Because they are human, and humans don't always make sense.

Haha, don't talk about changing one number. It reminds me how it took 6 years for SE to change ward radius. One single integer to change, and it took 6 years to do it.

At least that event showed me that you might as well ask for the impossible, when the trivial is so hard to do.

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Originally Posted by Sotek

As for Modus. You're joking right? Helices don't do enough damage... Christ, be glad I got most of that ranting out the way.
Back when it actually worked, I was pulling off 200~300 damage Helices which is some godly damage for 78MP. When I added merited Modus Veritas to the mix it was even better, roughly 12% better unless my Modus Maths is off (which it damn well could be). Now I can manage 400~500 damage Helices regularly and I'm blocked from making that better because SE decided to make the ability completely worthless.
Back when MP efficiency actually mattered they were the best damage/MP nukes in the game. Even though that's a completely moot point now - apart from completely countering your out right ignorance for how great they were - they're still pretty damn good. You'd be an idiot not to supplement a one minute nuking barrage with a Helix, unless you don't want to deal an extra 2k~4k damage with virtually no MP, time or hate cost at all. In which case more power to you.

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Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I appreciate it. I've been SCH since well before the MV nerf. I know how it worked. I also never said "Helix spells aren't good", I said they "aren't a big enough deal that MV is worth caring about" as in "I don't think it needs to be fixed BEFORE anything else that is broken in the SCH department". It's obvious that my low opinion of MV means that I totally wouldn't cast a helix on anything that's going to live more than a couple minutes.

But that's ok, keep ranting about MV. Maybe they'll fix that instead of making us a contributing and worthwhile addition to any party. I enjoy being stuck playing WHM 99% of the time (No, not really).

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I appreciate it. I've been SCH since well before the MV nerf. I know how it worked. I also never said "Helix spells aren't good", I said they "aren't a big enough deal that MV is worth caring about" as in "I don't think it needs to be fixed BEFORE anything else that is broken in the SCH department". It's obvious that my low opinion of MV means that I totally wouldn't cast a helix on anything that's going to live more than a couple minutes.

But that's ok, keep ranting about MV. Maybe they'll fix that instead of making us a contributing and worthwhile addition to any party. I enjoy being stuck playing WHM 99% of the time (No, not really).

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I read "Even before it was nerfed, it wasn't "good"." and obviously disagree, mainly because it was great before the nerf because back then mobs didn't live for minutes and was a great addition to a great set of spells. Sorry if I assumed anything; obviously I haven't got all my ranting out of the way.

Though you seem to have missed the point entirely, I only highlight Modus Veritas because it is the perfect example of how incompetent SE is when handling Scholar. I'm ranting equally - if not more - towards "Give Scholar Cure V" as I am saying "Fix Modus Veritas", you'll only see Modus highlighted because I have some hope SE will actually notice such an obviously broken ability and pay attention to any following or preceding suggestions, since they're obviously ignorant of anything related to Scholar. I consider giving Scholar Cure V as an equally obvious adjustment to make as fixing a broken ability, though one is obviously more simple than the other. That and I'm hardly going to highlight half a post explaining the hows and whys Scholar Cure V works.

I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong if you see a (fairly long) post with roughly half of it practically dedicated to shouting about White Mage and Cure V, and take the paragraph with an excessively highlighted "Fix Modus!" as the main focus of my post. If my posts were just about fixing Modus you'd have a point, but it's hardly something I'm fixated on, if anything Modus Veritas just happens to be something I'm popularly quoted on - so I probably do end up posting about it somewhat more - but again, that's just because it's so damn obvious that it's in need of an adjustment.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Haha, don't talk about changing one number. It reminds me how it took 6 years for SE to change ward radius. One single integer to change, and it took 6 years to do it.

At least that event showed me that you might as well ask for the impossible, when the trivial is so hard to do.

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Took 6 yrs to find*

Courtesy of spaghetti code.

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Originally Posted by Yugl

Took 6 yrs to find*

Courtesy of spaghetti code.

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Now, now. Don't pretend I'm dumb. All they have to do is search for the number 5!

By the way, as WHM and BLM, I personally am able to cast all transportation spells. I'd just like to do it as the job I play.

Some more responses:

About Scholar not casting area of effect spells: I concede that that is a great point. However, if it weren't for just one spell, Diaga, Red Mage would not have any AoE spells either.

About the hypothetical Berserker job casting Recall and Retrace if it were from the past: Scholar is a mage, Berserker would not be. End of that argument.

Regarding the mention of crags being sealed off in the past: Recall spells do not use crags; in fact, teleport spells don't all use a crag either. All that's required is a telepoint.

About the grimoire: I still believe, being a book of magic, it HAS to acknowledge the existence of telepoints.

About White Mages and Black Mages suddenly becoming time travel mages: I agree. WHMs and BLMs shouldn't have suddenly become time travelers. Scholars, a job that only existed in the past (except for player Scholars who have traveled to the present via maws), would be a more appropriate job to return itself to that time period.

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Originally Posted by Edyth

About the hypothetical Berserker job casting Recall and Retrace if it were from the past: Scholar is a mage, Berserker would not be. End of that argument.

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BLU is a mage, why can't they cast Teleport-Whitegate? Same point.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

BLU is a mage, why can't they cast Teleport-Whitegate? Same point.

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Because BLU casts spells they learned from monsters, and no monster can cast Teleport-Whitegate.

Stop making me defend the recall/retrace people.

PLD and DRK are also mages, so it is many jobs to feed teleports to.