[dev1049] New weapon skills

There's a lot of rage still going on, but the WS's don't actually seem that bad. Even with Requiescat, I can break 1k without MND gear. That doesn't make it better than Vorpal Blade with DD atma, but it makes it better if I'm /RDM with survival atma.

Resolution is an excellent Gsword skill and makes PLD DD or Gsword tanking actually possible on some mobs and NMs.

I really disagree with the nerfs all around, even to Ukkos/Smite, and I would prefer not to see Shoha nerfed, there has never really been a "band wagoner" that's superior to a well geared DD, most random band wagoners Shoha's only average between 1-2k with max merits, same with band wagon samurai with Fudo.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Why is it they had to add them as "actual" learned WS? It seems lazy, like they took the easy way out.

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I'm guessing the skill requirement is there so you can't use it if you're gimped on your skill, and simultaneously would prevent being able to use them when synced to low level.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I'm guessing the skill requirement is there so you can't use it if you're gimped on your skill, and simultaneously would prevent being able to use them when synced to low level.

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Dose that mean I can King's Justice @10? >.>

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Dose that mean I can King's Justice @10? >.>

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maybe <.< before the 2 hander update my war was ALL duel wield.. i don't even remember how i got it to 20...

point being i had almost no greataxe skill, and actually got kings justice long before raging rush. i was lvl 75 but.. prolly had the skill of a lvl 30..

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Dose that mean I can King's Justice @10? >.>

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Limiting it by skill had these two affects:
- You can only use it at a certain level
- You can only use it without being gimp at that level

Limiting it by level alone would only achieve the first of the two. I'm not saying they can't do it, and I really don't know why they didn't, but I assumed it was to achieve both those things and not just a level restriction. Maybe in response to the slew of underskilled Abyssea leechers at 99?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

There's a lot of rage still going on, but the WS's don't actually seem that bad. Even with Requiescat, I can break 1k without MND gear. That doesn't make it better than Vorpal Blade with DD atma, but it makes it better if I'm /RDM with survival atma.

Resolution is an excellent Gsword skill and makes PLD DD or Gsword tanking actually possible on some mobs and NMs.

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Depends on the WS. Some are great, some are good, some are WTF and some are just outright bad.

Req is one of the outright bad ones. The -20% attack ruins it on anything T or higher, especially as the three sword jobs (PLD / RDM / BLU) don't have high attack to begin with. It's only saving grace is that it can bypass physical resistance even invincible. So if your fighting some monster that has some crazy 50% PDT you can bust out Req to deal damage vs Vorpal / CDC hitting low.

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Originally Posted by darkhorror

What axe WS are you using? Ruinator is a badass WS.

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It's just Rampage all over again. SE nerfed it from the test server and made it weaker.

Ruin has a higher WSC, Rampage can crit, that's pretty much the only difference between them. Rampage will have more variation due to random crits, Ruin will be more consistent, they'll be be approximately equal.

You only get to max three WS out, why max out a WS that is the same as one you already get. If you don't play any other jobs then sure why not, but otherwise it would be better to spend your merits into more useful WS's.

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Originally Posted by saevel

It's just Rampage all over again. SE nerfed it from the test server and made it weaker.

Ruin has a higher WSC, Rampage can crit, that's pretty much the only difference between them. Rampage will have more variation due to random crits, Ruin will be more consistent, they'll be be approximately equal.

You only get to max three WS out, why max out a WS that is the same as one you already get. If you don't play any other jobs then sure why not, but otherwise it would be better to spend your merits into more useful WS's.

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You must have never used Ruinator 5/5 with a good WS build.

Ruinator has 3.33 times higher WSC, 100% vs 30%. With belt and gorget Ruinator has a higher fTP. Ruinator has an attack bonus. The only thing rampage can do is crit.

Get a WS build with at least 150 str, elemental belt and gorget. Then try it again, or just do the math.

People saying that some are good and some are bad might be right, but ultimately there is a bigger issue then some being terrible.

The main problem was and remains that they put a cap on how many we can merit. Basically, if someone does more then 1~3 jobs, they're shafted. Sure, one WS might great in very select situations, but that means nothing to you if you can't merit it or only put a single merit into it due to the allocation problems.

I'd really perfer SE just uncaps the merits we can put into these things so that the issue would be dealt with, then we wouldn't have as many problems with the utility ones, because meriting them wouldn't hurt your ability to do damage with other classes.

Putting a cap on them is just all wrong.