[Suggestion] Paid Race Change Program.

Me too! I'd pay for a race change as well!

Bump.

Still no reply or update with this? C'mon SE. :(

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.

They can do it, just a matter of if they want to do it. In my humble opinion, they are still wondering why people are playing ffxi and have not moved to ffxiv.

Because xi is their best multiplayer game, duuuuhhhhh

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Originally Posted by Monsuta_Man

They can do it, just a matter of if they want to do it. In my humble opinion, they are still wondering why people are playing ffxi and have not moved to ffxiv.

Because xi is their best multiplayer game, duuuuhhhhh

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Yeah, they can do it. It's definitely possible, just dunno why they won't allow it. If they added 8 paid wardrobes and need money, I've no clue why they won't add something like a fantasia for FFXI, they'd make so much more money.

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Originally Posted by Dzspdref

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.

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For the fantasia to come out in FFXIV, one of my friends made a thread and it was bumped daily and people begged for it, Yoshida eventually made it possible :)

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Originally Posted by Dzspdref

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.

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They never actually said they couldn't do it.

As far as I can recall, they've said that it would be difficult to impllement or something like that, but they never flat out said no.

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Originally Posted by Cesil

For the fantasia to come out in FFXIV, one of my friends made a thread and it was bumped daily and people begged for it, Yoshida eventually made it possible :)

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Fantasia was always planned, frankly. 1.x players were all given a free one due to changes made to the core races and the addition of female Roe.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They never actually said they couldn't do it.

As far as I can recall, they've said that it would be difficult to impllement or something like that, but they never flat out said no.

Fantasia was always planned, frankly. 1.x players were all given a free one due to changes made to the core races and the addition of female Roe.

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It wasn't planned as a paid feature iirc and to add additional ones to buy whenever, and I can prolly find where they said it was not planned to be a paid feature, but it was only added to the mog station because people were begging for it on the forums, it was just a one time offer for 1.x players since they added new races like you said :) That is what Yoshida said during the live letters and interviews too!

They did say no in a reddit interview back in 2019 sadly - https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/commen...ihiko/d5qo7ww/

but things can change, one can hope ; ; and keep nagging on the forum I guess haha.

Fair enough, though that post was 6 years ago.

It's always been my opinion that people should think more carefully about their appearance and not need to change it later, and "making important choices' has been a running theme in the game. But it seems like as the years go buy we as humans have become more and more indecisive for some reason lol

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Fair enough, though that post was 6 years ago.

It's always been my opinion that people should think more carefully about their appearance and not need to change it later, and "making important choices' has been a running theme in the game. But it seems like as the years go buy we as humans have become more and more indecisive for some reason lol

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Haha that is true! I notice folks are more indecisive now as well.

I always regretted my choice of race since the games release in 2002, however, back then when I got all the avatars (before the forks came out, and I did all the fame, took FOREVER) for my SMN, I was like, nah I am not going to restart just to be the blonde pig tailed mithra. I always wanted to change but just couldn't bring myself to start over back in the day. I suppose now it's not so bad, but I have so many REMA and rare items that I can't trade if I started over, that I can't do it :(

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Would it be possible to add an item that allows race/gender change, similar to FFXIV's Fantasia system?


[–]FFXI_DevelopmentTeam[S] 83 points 5 days ago

A: While it is possible, we learned that we would have to revamp several aspects of the backend. We would need to see if there’s enough demand to justify the development costs.

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Ok so add a questionnaire on the playonline website asking if people would use it, or something?

You know we want this, and you should know people will use it more than once.

Can we have it?

You would not know if there is a demand for something, unless you sell it. This translates to "We don't want to do it"

How many movies, consoles, among other things were hyped up by the masses only to flop.

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Originally Posted by Monsuta_Man

You would not know if there is a demand for something, unless you sell it. This translates to "We don't want to do it"

How many movies, consoles, among other things were hyped up by the masses only to flop.

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Sure you can know. Polls. Surveys. Player behavior. It doesn't translate to that in any way. You counter your own argument by comparing to bad movies. They could also have conducted studies to see if their movie was a good idea in the first place before making it.

It doesn't take a degree in data analysis.

They dont want to do anything!! Jeeze, even something that will MAKE THEM MONEY, they are weasling their way out of it. So sick of this

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Originally Posted by Immortal

They dont want to do anything!! Jeeze, even something that will MAKE THEM MONEY, they are weasling their way out of it. So sick of this

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Everything has a cost associated with it. Companies will do something called a "Cost-benefit analysis." And if that analysis concludes that the costs are too high for the potential benefits, then it doesn't make sense to do the thing.

In this case, I can only hypothesize that the benefits are seen as smaller than they would be in FFXIV, which has a lot more character customization options than FFXI, so they expect fewer people would make use of it since there aren't as many changes they could make. and "revamping aspects of the backend" certainly makes it seem like a non-trivial task to implement. Thus they would need the demand to be fairly consierable for the benefits to be worth the costs.

Companies will do anything that will make them more money, so obviously if they're resistant to the idea, it means they don't think it will make enough to be worthwhile. By contrast, everyone's been begging for more inventory space since forever, so that's a comparatively easy sell for many people.

I think it's possible they are afraid doing this would make people lose their bond with their characters, however that's not how it works.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

I think it's possible they are afraid doing this would make people lose their bond with their characters, however that's not how it works.

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The game was originally designed with the mindset that players should make real, impactful decisions about their characters, which is why you typically can't change or undo stuff. The trouble is mainly that we're really indecisive creatures.

In my case though- even if I wanted to change, there aren't a lot of options for me to switch to. FFXI's character customization is extremely limited compared to other games today.

Just adding another “I would pay for this” post.

11/10 would pay for changes of fantasia. I mean... I spend a small set of funds for fantasias on xiv as is (swapping between my mood of miqote, au ra, and vierra) from time to time. I'd kill for a fantasia change JUST ONCE on XI XD

They could add recolor hair styles that you can only access from this too. For instance a black haired Mithra.

There's a private server already does that and it's far from the perfection. Your character must be unequipped fully (because of RSE gears) and exit the game before you can change your race and appearance.

I don't know if you could change your name. A lot of players would want to change their names.

I forgot about that, no doubt that's part of the reason it's been difficult to add.

They could add an npc, that when you talk to it it send you to a goal type area with one room and when inside it performs a remove all gear action as happens in old Salvage. Then tell you to logoff before it performs the account change.

Yeah, it has to be done on the website.

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Originally Posted by Nidhogg

I'd pay for a name change as well.

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You can sorta do this already via world transfer, if you transfer your char to another world then create another with the same name in the server you left, wait 3 days time before you can transfer back and it will force you to change your name as a character with the same name “your mule” already exist in that server. It’s the same concept when we were all force into a new server and had to change our names cause someone there already had it. Costly but if you wait until discount then it’s not so bad for a whole new name :) then just delete the mule and done

I really wish they would tell us if they plan to do things in advance, as it always works they decide to do something and say nothing until a few days before adding it. I get why they do it this way it's still annoying.

When they said in the AMA they would add it if there was enough "want" for it (paraphrasing, mind you) how do they determine the desire for this? Like others have mentioned, a quick google search can show you private servers do this, while it may not be simple and easy, it's possible.

I wish they would add this feature already, I've wanted to be a mithra for so long now and would easily pay the same price or whatever for a fantasia type item :(

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Originally Posted by Zehira

There's a private server that already does that and it's far from the perfection. Your character must be unequipped fully (because of RSE gears) and exit the game before you can change your race and appearance.

I don't know if you could change your name. A lot of players would want to change their names.

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In FFXIV we also have to remove every piece of equipment, log out, then relog in and wait to be promoted to change our race. Forgive me if I am missing something, but that sounds exactly like how FFXIV does it, is there anything different between the two?

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Originally Posted by Cesil

When they said in the AMA they would add it if there was enough "want" for it (paraphrasing, mind you) how do they determine the desire for this? Like others have mentioned, a quick google search can show you private servers do this, while it may not be simple and easy, it's possible.

I wish they would add this feature already, I've wanted to be a mithra for so long now and would easily pay the same price or whatever for a fantasia type item :(



In FFXIV we also have to remove every piece of equipment, log out, then relog in and wait to be promoted to change our race. Forgive me if I am missing something, but that sounds exactly like how FFXIV does it, is there anything different between the two?

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Both basically the same thing. I am a 3D modder of XIV. I don't publish my stuff, I just do it for fun. But if you have your RSE equipped before you change your race then your account can be damaged forever. I remember a Lamia in Besieged magically removed all of your equipment. Maybe SE can use that feature for changing the character's appearance depending on the development costs.

They wouldn't do something juryrigged like that. If they can't do it properly, they aren't going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They wouldn't do something juryrigged like that. If they can't do it properly, they aren't going to do it.

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Never say never, Mr. Naysayer.

Cheapness is do it to let players change through webpages. Since we can't look into a closed source software to figure out what, SQL isn't hard to learn. You are right, they shouldn't make the same mistake as the lottery system for buying a house in XIV.

If SE isn't going to do it, then maybe they need to stop crawling into my account to see what alts I have and say "Oh I know what Zehira likes most so I am gonna change my character."

Also needs to be kept in mind that people do this more than once, people like to have changes of hairstyles of body size or whatever.

I know the developers think this won't really be worth the cost but if done correctly it would be a profitable thing.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Also needs to be kept in mind that people do this more than once, people like to have changes of hairstyles of body size or whatever.

I know the developers think this won't really be worth the cost but if done correctly it would be a profitable thing.

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FFXI just really doesn't have enough customization options for people to want to change it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

FFXI just really doesn't have enough customization options for people to want to change it all the time.

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You'd be surprised how often people would change things about their character if they could. I've one friend who made like 3 different female hume's because he couldn't pick one. If given the chance, he would quite possibly race change a lot. I get your point but never underestimate how many times people would change things if given an option.

It's funny because people on the FFXIV forum complain that there aren't more customization options, it's like...in FFXI, we just want to be able to change race!

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You'd be surprised how often people would change things about their character if they could.

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What I'm saying is many people change their appearance often in FFXIV because there's a lot of hairstyles, face paints and other options and you can come up with something unique every time. FFXIV just has a handful of hairstyles in two colors for each gender of each race, and small/medium/large size. That's it. People will only do it so many times because it won't take them that long to try everything.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

What I'm saying is many people change their appearance often in FFXIV because there's a lot of hairstyles, face paints and other options and you can come up with something unique every time. FFXIV just has a handful of hairstyles in two colors for each gender of each race, and small/medium/large size. That's it. People will only do it so many times because it won't take them that long to try everything.

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I get you...and yet at the same time, I personally know several individuals who would change race every other day. They do it in FFXIV and not for the hairstyles/eye color etc, they do it for the race. Regardless though, I wish SE would follow up with their answer on the reddit AMA, how do they plan on "if there is enough demand"? Do the community folks even read/post here anymore? I honestly have no clue.

XI is not XIV.
Devs answered this with a "maybe, but probably no."
Not sure what else there is to have 32 more pages on the subject about.

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XI is not XIV.

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Tell me something I don't know.

The point is, I just don't see the viable market for a feature like this when this game doesn't offer a lot in the way of character customization options. Now, if they added more hair/head satyles, maybe, but I doubt that will happen either.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Tell me something I don't know.

The point is, I just don't see the viable market for a feature like this when this game doesn't offer a lot in the way of character customization options. Now, if they added more hair/head satyles, maybe, but I doubt that will happen either.

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They could do that, but after the 20th anniversary interviews, live stream, and AMA, we know it's highly unlikely.

At this point XI is like walking up to a former samurai during the Meiji era. That is selling roasted eel on a stick with a small cart on the side of the road. Could they do something else? Absolutely, but they are just going to sell some roasted eel kabob until they can't sell it anymore. That, and talk about what it meant to reach this point. Doesn't matter what happens around them. Doesn't matter if RMT and bots terrorize the country side. It is just roasted eel on a stick, and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

XI is not XIV.
Devs answered this with a "maybe, but probably no."
Not sure what else there is to have 32 more pages on the subject about.

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i tried to find the post i replied to you but you got too many. i can't find it. i can't believe square enix don't have notifications for when people reply and quote you on forums. well either im not even coming back to see this reply. no need to reply except its just for the audience.

This is a really old forum system, it was used by like everyone years ago but now it's definitely quite dated.