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Amen to that Crevox. I often forget just how many new players now populate the game. There really aren't a lot left who played before the advent of Abyssea. I see a Lv99 / R10 and don't connect those two markers of experience don't mean much anymore.

Invited a LS member to join me in Crawler's Nest this morning, a level 99 WHM R10 Bastok and I had to tell them how to get there. Nothing against the person, as all they know is Abyssea.

Another shell-mate couldn't fathom why I was soloing there when I could be in Abyssea. He could not understand that I just enjoyed playing the game...

You actually see rank ten people who are from post abyssea? Wow I just see rank 6 types

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Originally Posted by Crevox

However, what they don't understand is that in many scenarios, you can gain more experience in a party through the eminence and book objectives, by killing enemies quicker. My friends and I started doing exp parties in areas like 5-10 levels below us, on easy prey mobs. The individual mobs gave "meh" experience, but we plowed through them so fast that we were finishing eminence objectives/book objectives and receiving better EXP/hr than if we were solo.

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I agree in theory that you should be killing much faster when you party up. However, I would argue that there aren't really very many camps in Adoulin with sufficient mob density/respawn to be able to handle a real XP party with bad intentions. I would love for there to be one or ten of them, as this would give us some serious options.

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Originally Posted by detlef

I agree in theory that you should be killing much faster when you party up. However, I would argue that there aren't really very many camps in Adoulin with sufficient mob density/respawn to be able to handle a real XP party with bad intentions. I would love for there to be one or ten of them, as this would give us some serious options.

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Been to the few zones that was added in the last 2-3 updates?

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Been to the few zones that was added in the last 2-3 updates?

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If you have a moment, please describe the camps.

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Originally Posted by detlef

If you have a moment, please describe the camps.

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Not going to give away my latest camps/areas since there are trusters all over as is and they would absolutely killed your chain if they come into my camp.

But I wont mind giving ideas of 'older camps'. For example, with the 'old' toah merit style, you can just run in loops in the 'gates' area. Won't even need to be full party, but a group of 4 (2 DDs, healer and a cor or brd would be sufficient).

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Been to the few zones that was added in the last 2-3 updates?

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From what I have seen none of the areas offer a bird camp dense area of mobs with the couple that comes close are also the type of mobs EXP parties avoid.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Not going to give away my latest camps/areas since there are trusters all over as is and they would absolutely killed your chain if they come into my camp.

But I wont mind giving ideas of 'older camps'. For example, with the 'old' toah merit style, you can just run in loops in the 'gates' area. Won't even need to be full party, but a group of 4 (2 DDs, healer and a cor or brd would be sufficient).

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Okay but I run through Woh Gates with just a DD and a healer and that can't handle much more than that. Is there anything with a denser concentration of mobs?

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Not going to give away my latest camps/areas since there are trusters all over as is and they would absolutely killed your chain if they come into my camp.

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Stuff as simple as this is still kept a secret?

Hey now, MMO XP is serious business. You have to protect your spots like Coca-Cola protects their formula. Billions of XP are at stake!

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Stuff as simple as this is still kept a secret?

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it is to me when I wanted to keep my chain going and not get wasted by some trusters who typically kill slow enough to just disrupt chain. difference between 700-800 exp vs 1.4k-1.6k on chain make my meriting session go a lot faster.

depending on what is your healer and what your DD is capable of doing, Woh Gate's from Drift straight down south loop with rabbits and worms are a prefect example of a very low man pt (<= 2 DD at most). Anymore and respawn will kill your chain. Nothing aggro in this path but they do link like crazy so either have a healer that can also sleep would give you some relieve. Or just make sure your healer is a capable healer.

I understand Dreamin's want to keep his camp secret. He probably found it the way any other person could: by researching and exploring.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Stuff as simple as this is still kept a secret?

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You have the same ability as everyone else to figure out which spots work best for you. Finding the optimal spot for yourself can take some time, it's only natural that people don't want to see it spoiled by others right away.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

I understand Dreamin's want to keep his camp secret. He probably found it the way any other person could: by researching and exploring.

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... which is time that could have been spent EXPing with Trust NPCs.

Behold the kind, compassionate, and generous FFXI community at work.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

... which is time that could have been spent EXPing with Trust NPCs.

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No thanks. I do get more and faster xp without the use of trust npc. However, I did use Lion last time I went to fishmarket to farm up a rock for delve entry and it was hella fast with TH (got 2 drop within the 1st 10 mobs...and then the 3rd drop almost 45min later). I definitely thinks the Trust has its place and it does allow those more casual players better opportunity to complete a lot of the stuff that they can't do themselves. But a blanket statement that said Trust NPCs will get you MORE exp than party is just flat out wrong.

There are plenty of other camps that would work. The key is will your party be willing to take on the risk of the harder mobs or not (we're talking about a lot of these will and can 1 shot you even with 119 gears). More risk = more reward and faster merit session.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

From what I have seen none of the areas offer a bird camp dense area of mobs with the couple that comes close are also the type of mobs EXP parties avoid.

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remember it's not just mob density, but the combination of respawn timer that will yield you the effective density. Not sure you ever had to do this before but back in the old colibris merit pt, when we ended up getting the upper camp, we usually have to go steal 1 or 2 birds from the lower deck to keep chain going. But just that 1-2 birds are usually enough to keep chain going and not dropped it. [yeah the lower deck ppl usually yell/shout at us to stop stealing their birds but it's usually just lol all around].

So yeah, there might not be enough density to kill fast but as long as there are enough mobs to keep chain going, then density becomes a non-issue (and why I said in some camps, when you have more than 2+ DDs it wont work anymore since you'll be killing too fast).

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Behold the kind, compassionate, and generous FFXI community at work.

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Unless you're paying my monthly fee, I'm not required to help anyone in any way, shape or form. Especially like others have said, I've spent my own time and found these camps and if I don't feel like sharing with the open public so everyone and their mother and their trusts will come kill my chain. It is no one else's business. I dont mind sharing ideas on how to find the appropriate camp for others (i.e. party size/strength/weakness are the key parameters one need to understands and accepted).

I'll throw a freebie to you here. If you have a group of people who needs a lot of merits (AA KI) and only 1 or 2 people can be active and the rest needs to afk and you just dont want to suffer the 200-300xp/mob + RoE exp bonus on lower level mobs, you can take a MNK (just load him up with EVA) [or BLU with good Thunder gears, or BLM with good MAB or ... name your jobs] and a part time healer/keyer and you can effectively do just about any Abyssea camp with mobs that aggro/link (otherwise kill speed will be way too slow). Won't be some great/grand exp but in about 1.5hr, you walk everyone out with the 20 merits that you each need for that AA run. Abyssea zone/mob choices, I won't tell you but it's not hard to figure that out [there are just way too many to choose].

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Originally Posted by detlef

I agree in theory that you should be killing much faster when you party up. However, I would argue that there aren't really very many camps in Adoulin with sufficient mob density/respawn to be able to handle a real XP party with bad intentions. I would love for there to be one or ten of them, as this would give us some serious options.

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Been to the few zones that was added in the last 2-3 updates?

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There are plenty of other camps that would work. The key is will your party be willing to take on the risk of the harder mobs or not (we're talking about a lot of these will and can 1 shot you even with 119 gears). More risk = more reward and faster merit session.

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I made the claim that there are virtually no XP camps that support even a half-competent group. You asked if I'd checked the newer zones, as if we are barely aware of the what lies beyond West Adoulin. Then you gave me a camp that works for 1 strong DD and a healer and might work for 2 DDs and also qualified it by saying that any kind of disruption will kill your chain.

And then the second example you give is Abyssea. When the discussion is about teaming up instead of using Trust, Abyssea is a terrible example.

If you're going to make the claim that there are existing camps that work well for XP PTs, then why post if all you're going to share is a mediocre (and oft-used) camp and Abyssea?

I've said I wont give out my current/latest camp but will give you older camp and one of them support up to 2 DDs. The abyssea one was in response to the other people as to keeping secret on exp camp and not willing to help others. So I gave an example of where you can help a ton of ppl just with 1-2 active ppl in abyssea.

Seriously, for the latest camps, if you just run through some of the newer zones you will see where a lot of camps can be possible. It wont be a compact not having to move type of camp but rather a moving camp similar to the old bird merit camp. You might have to mix in different mob types (i.e. rabbits/worms) to keep chain going but they are out there.

You want another camp that I used to use, you can go up to Yorcia and kill Snapweeds+Monkey (and sometimes mushroom heads too). Access might be a problem depending on your server's waypoint situation. So if you have to start from FS you might have to get thruogh some Lairs to get to the more ideal camp site.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Hello,

You might remember me from a topic I made a while ago. I was a new player just starting out. It's been about a month now, and I just can't find myself logging in anymore.

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So it seems you only played for a couple of months. I played since 2004 and quite maybe 6-7 times. Game was vastly different back then.

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I played for one month and grinded out like crazy, and accomplished a lot. However, recently, I've just been absolutely burnt out after doing all of it.

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Took you a few months to burn out, but took most of us 10 yrs.

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Things I accomplished:

-Level 99 SMN, didn't go to Abyssea until 75; Geomancer is like 93 or something
-Nation mission rank 6, Dynamis unlocked and farmed on multiple days
-Zilart beginning
-Aht Urhgan complete, Alexander/Odin
-Chains of Promathia complete
-Zoned into Wings of the Goddess at like level 50, got eaten by a random mob, didn't go back
-3 pieces of 109 AF armor, along with some relic armor
-Barely touched Abyssea "progression", never managed to kill a single zone boss
-Completed various other quests (max gobbiebag, all avatars including Fenrir, Evoker's Ring, the list goes on) along with farming/hunting for various SMN specific items
-Did not touch Adoulin; never got a good reason to go there, wanted to explore it with friends, but friends got burnt out and quit before we even got that far. Beyond that, from the looks of it, it looks like more time gated content (coalition?) and all the other things above seemed to provide better armor/items/worth than Adoulin.

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Far more than I've accomplished in 10 years. Frankly new players got it made and shouldn't quit.

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the only party content I've done is EXP (with like 1-2 people) or Dynamis with 1 other friend. Keep in mind, a LOT of doing all of this was time spent researching. I have to understand pretty much the majority of every aspect of this 11 year old game to find out where to get certain items, how the missions work, where I have to go, etc. Learning it all at once gets extremely complex (as a new player, look at the login rewards; you will have NO IDEA what 90% of the stuff is).

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There is 11 years worth of information readily available for all. FFXI is probably the most documented MMO in history. Even when I came back, I had no trouble catching up due to all the information out there. Sounds like you're rushing. Don't.

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The reason why I didn't party up is the requirements. I spent nearly every day working on all those requirements to get ready. If I wasn't "working" on all that, I was exping with friends, or helping them out with the various tasks they needed help with (they have their own list of things they need to do). Also, keep in mind I couldn't do a lot of the stuff by myself, or didn't know how, but thankfully, I got help from a couple nice people.

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This is a critical mistake ANY FFXI should not make. New or old. If you play to catch up, you will not enjoy yourself. Friends will leave you behind, but the real friends are the ones that will help you when you need it.

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After all this, the only things I read on the forums are old players saying they SHOULDN'T remove all these requirements or make it faster. They are saying that people should HAVE to take all this time doing the stories and such. Example from another thread:

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I don't agree with them. Indeed times have changed and some of those requirements do need to be removed. Most of what SE has implemented to make things a little less stressing was a welcome change at least to me.

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If I was someone who was lazy, and just wanted everything handed to me/instantly... I would not have taken the effort to do all of that.

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I guess some of them forgot what a real lazy player is. Boy I got some horror stories for you!

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-Level 99 THF, didn't go to Abyssea until 75
-Nation rank 2
-Got to Aht Urhgan to unlock Corsair, did not touch the missions
-Did not touch Chains of Promathia
-Did not get ANY AF, not even the low level
-Did not max Gobbiebag, no other important achievements to note
-Never touched Adoulin

... and he quit. Why? Cause a lot of this is boring. It's work.

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Or maybe because Rank 3 requires help. All those matters required help. That THF(a job that had it rough in the early years) most likely had HELL getting help. That is one of the reasons I quit so much.

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New players do not want to, and should not have to, go through all this.

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I agree. But I'm thinking on a wider range.

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I'm going to say that the old players need to stop looking at this game through nostalgia goggles. Times have changed. The game is not the same as it was before. You need to accept change, and move forward, or this game is going to suffer. There are a LOT of things that could be changed, and should be changed, for the game to move forward and prosper for years to come. However, it doesn't help when the majority of the community is straight up rude to new players, or thinks that it's right for them to "suffer the same way they did in the past." The response to practically anything I say is "YOU KNOW IT WAS SO MUCH HARDER IN THE PAST, YOU SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING." I spent a lot of time arguing/discussing various topics (mythic weapons, mission requirements, etc) with people on this forum, and boy, it's been an uphill battle. So many people want all the requirements to stay, and if you don't like it, "too bad this isn't the game for you." I still think this quote is hilarious:

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I can't speak for other old players on this, but I look at the game through nostalgia glasses, and I think to myself that I'm glad those days are behind me. If I wanted to start over fresh, sure the "need help" missions are still there, but EXPing is no longer an event, and that's huge. Once again, you new players got it made. And it was harder back then. You have no freaking idea at all. Some of the stuff you want(and stuff I want) technically you don't need because they are obsolete.

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You're not 'forced' to do old content. And don't rush.

I never finished CoP
I never finished TOAU
I don't really care for WoTG
SoA doesn't interest me.

It took 4 years to get my first 75 job(this was normal back then heh).
I just like to log in, kill mobs and enjoy myself. Everything has left me in the past, but I don't care.

Think about your enjoyment.

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Unless you're paying my monthly fee, I'm not required to help anyone in any way, shape or form.

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Which only reinforces what I said. Kindness, compassion, and generosity are generally expressed by helping others without obligation or expectation of reward.

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Especially like others have said, I've spent my own time and found these camps and if I don't feel like sharing with the open public so everyone and their mother and their trusts will come kill my chain. It is no one else's business. I dont mind sharing ideas on how to find the appropriate camp for others (i.e. party size/strength/weakness are the key parameters one need to understands and accepted).

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You don't mind sharing as long as there is no detriment to yourself. You're still just reinforcing my point.

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I'll throw a freebie to you here.

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Personally I don't need anything you might have to offer. I've been playing for years. It's new players I worry for when they see how purely self-serving veteran players are to the point where even decent XP camps are kept secret for fear that there might actually be social interaction in a multiplayer game.

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If you have a group of people who needs a lot of merits (AA KI) and only 1 or 2 people can be active and the rest needs to afk and you just dont want to suffer the 200-300xp/mob + RoE exp bonus on lower level mobs, you can take a MNK (just load him up with EVA) [or BLU with good Thunder gears, or BLM with good MAB or ... name your jobs] and a part time healer/keyer and you can effectively do just about any Abyssea camp with mobs that aggro/link (otherwise kill speed will be way too slow). Won't be some great/grand exp but in about 1.5hr, you walk everyone out with the 20 merits that you each need for that AA run. Abyssea zone/mob choices, I won't tell you but it's not hard to figure that out [there are just way too many to choose].

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Go to an Abyssea zone on a JOB and kill monsters. Well I guess that's... something.

Wow, the big I'm a selfless person post. Didn't know that only passionate/compassion/kind ppl are allowed to pay a monthly fee so that they can spend their free time however they wanted to spend them. When I want to truly help people, I donate to the Red Cross/United Ways/local food bank/etc. I'm sorry, like most people, my playing time is limited, so I value how I spend my playing time and I spend them on what my current goal is. I don't play for other ppl and I certainly hope no one else is playing for me.

No one is really selfless anyway. If you dig deep enough, you can always find selfish reasons to why you are doing nice things to others.

I do nice things to others because i want them to enjoy the game because if the game has more players, it will remain healthy and online for a longer period of time. The game being shut down is not in my own best interest. Players that quit out of frustration from inability to progress don't make the game stay alive.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Wow, the big I'm a selfless person post. Didn't know that only passionate/compassion/kind ppl are allowed to pay a monthly fee so that they can spend their free time however they wanted to spend them. When I want to truly help people, I donate to the Red Cross/United Ways/local food bank/etc. I'm sorry, like most people, my playing time is limited, so I value how I spend my playing time and I spend them on what my current goal is. I don't play for other ppl and I certainly hope no one else is playing for me.

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I don't really care about how nice you are. I just think that you did not refute my claim that there is an inadequate number of XP camps with sufficient mob density and XP per kill sufficient to encourage people to group up instead of using Trust NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

it is to me when I wanted to keep my chain going and not get wasted by some trusters who typically kill slow enough to just disrupt chain. difference between 700-800 exp vs 1.4k-1.6k on chain make my meriting session go a lot faster.

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And this EXP beats Abyssea parties? I remember getting 200k/hr in Abyssea, sometimes 300k+ if the party was good.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Wow, the big I'm a selfless person post.

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I never said I was, so I dunno where you're getting that from.

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Didn't know that only passionate/compassion/kind ppl are allowed to pay a monthly fee so that they can spend their free time however they wanted to spend them

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You can do what you want, but that doesn't preclude me saying that we look like a bunch of anti-social jerks when people act like you and those who defended you. You want to take a stand then you have to take the criticism.

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When I want to truly help people, I donate to the Red Cross/United Ways/local food bank/etc.

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That's highly commendable, but don't make this in to a big I'm a selfless person post.

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I'm sorry, like most people, my playing time is limited, so I value how I spend my playing time and I spend them on what my current goal is. I don't play for other ppl and I certainly hope no one else is playing for me.

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Like I said, do what you want but there are consequences when much of the community has that mentality.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Behold the kind, compassionate, and generous FFXI community at work.

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Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

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I was going to respond to this, but after thinking about it, I don't even know what to say.

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Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

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Some things on the wiki are flat out confusing, also not everyone can read something and instantly pick it up with no issues. I don't feel like going into a big long rant on why exactly it's stupid to expect everyone to learn everything super easy from a single guide or for someone to learn everything off wiki by looking it up instantly, but let me cover some examples.

Pankration, simple enough event once you understand, but if you went to wiki and looked it up as I did when I first heard about it(about 2~3 years ago, literally my first or second day after going to Aht for the first time) you wouldn't have understood any of it at all, and been at a total loss as I was most likely.

ZNMs, same as Pankration, confused me to no end originally, I tried to understand, but there were so many things involved it simply made no sense, I did not know what Imperial Standing was, I thought it was a kind of fame originally, I also had no idea how to obtain the currency, and had no idea what Jettons were, all which seemed to be tied to this system in a way that confounded me.

I have had tons of people tell me Dynamis and its procing system was confusing as all **** and they were unable to understand it, though even just tonight, I went through with a returning player who has only been back a few weeks, and has been trying to farm without TEs, without Procing, and been doing terribly, since last time they played was in the 75 days and they have no idea what they are doing. In a hour of helping them I explained TEs, procing, showed them the cycles to do in Valk, explained when to change mobs, a few tips on how to keep track of certain things or how to more easily pull a good amount of currency, in general I explained the event to them and helped them learn it. They were not stupid, they picked it up quickly & easily.

People often absorb information much easier through experience and by being told about it in a way that they can ask questions and get instant responses, rather than a static guide that can answer nothing outside of what is written within, or a wiki that can be confusing to navigate when you don't know what to even look for to get what you want from it. Yes, some people are just not trying, asking you for every little detail and refusing to even try it on their own, others are likely to actually be looking for a better way to learn or understand, and aren't getting what they need in the guide or wiki you provide them, even if to you, that question is answered within it.



TLDR: Not everyone learns the same, to expect it is foolish. Not everyone wants a hand holder, but rather, some want a dynamic method of learning that can answer to their questions and needs, rather than a simple guide.

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Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

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If you don't have the patience to deal with people then why play a game that requires doing so? All you've done is describe how people act in real life all the time. How do you deal with them when they're right in front of you and not a thousand miles away?

Yes but some people also don't ask you and the rest of your LS the same bloody question that gets answered different ways from different people five or more time within five minutes. Those are the types of people who are bothersome and makes you want to strangle them through the screen.

Going to the guy who hadn't been in dyna since the 75 days how did they not know what a TE was? Were they not paying attention during their runs or not understanding how it worked back then? Or am I misunderstanding in assuming he had done dynamis back then? I mean sure it was easy to not pay to what was going on back then, even had a guy who went afk for most of a run a few times. Just baffles me anyone who did dynamis back then wouldn't understand how a 30 min event stretched out to a 3hr event once inside without being booted before then.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Yes but some people also don't ask you and the rest of your LS the same bloody question that gets answered different ways from different people five or more time within five minutes.

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Then just /breaklinkshell and get on with your life.

If the publishers aren't adequately explaining the game well enough for new(ish) players, there's no reason for that to be your problem to deal with. You're paying them, not vice versa, so unless you feel that complaining about other players on these forums is worth your entertainment dollars, go do something else.

This wasn't my linkshell to break and it was back around 2005. This was how they were when asking about anything every day inside the LS or through shouts. When unless their chat window is scrolling like mad at least one example of what to do to get to the zone they wanted to get to should have been still on their screen if they popped it open without having to scroll back. They also were not new to the game.

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Going to the guy who hadn't been in dyna since the 75 days how did they not know what a TE was?

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I would assume it's a combo of not having played in years and Dynamis having changed so much. I can't really say, I didn't exactly ask him, all I know is he told me he was trying to farm Hopes in Dynamis Xarc and asked if I wanted to join him since Dynamis only takes an hour, which obviously made me question why he thought the event was an hour long, and once he told me he didn't know how to extend it longer and thought that it was just a hour long, I just told him I would do a run with him and teach him about the event. But in all honesty, Dynamis did change a ton, you said yourself that the time went from 3 hours to 2 hours, who's to say they didn't lower it to 1 hour? I admit he could have found it out on wiki, but it goes back to the learning thing I was talking about, in the end, I find it easy to believe he just didn't know, even though he did do Dyna way back when.

Now when it comes to people who ask the same question over and over, and are answered each time but fail to use the knowledge to do what they are trying to do, those are the kind of people I simply ignore. The thing is, I find that generally, people aren't like this, I have had very few people in this game I have ever helped that did not seem to at least give an honest effort on their part to learn what they needed to. I will not say they don't exist, I have met a few, but they are far fewer than those who legitimately need help and will use it to its fullest.

Ahh the old haven't done said event in a long time thus brain goes derp bit. Yes, most people I have helped over the years were not as bad as the person I mentioned and coming close to spaming chat with the same question in a zone that doesn't normally get much shout chat and didn't zone is indeed a rarity. Though have had my share of people who make you go how do you not understand instructions your average six year old could even follow over the years.

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They have not completed CoP. They simply do not want to do it.

There is no "help" when it comes to CoP unless you're doing one of the like 2 missions that require two people. It is a long, arduous, painful journey of auto-run (the R button) and warping from place to place. Having more than one person would only make it take longer; the best anyone can do for you is talk to you while you do it so it's not as boring.

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You could enjoy the story. I liked COP's story line taru its good ^_^
That's what role playing games are about the story

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka

You could enjoy the story. I liked COP's story line taru its good ^_^
That's what role playing games are about the story

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The story was great. It just takes forever to get to the story parts of the missions due to the large amount of tedious tasks in between. If I could just do story cutscene, fight, cutscene, fight one after another in tandem, then it would be fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

The story was great. It just takes forever to get to the story parts of the missions due to the large amount of tedious tasks in between. If I could just do story cutscene, fight, cutscene, fight one after another in tandem, then it would be fantastic.

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Yikes, that's precisely what I hate about WoW clones nowadays.

But on the bright side you'll probably love XIV.