ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

Hey admins when are you going to address this issue.

Honestly? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm sure they're thinking of something, and I hate to rag on the new Dev Team because they are doing a FANTASTIC job with the game thus far - but the recent dynamis change & addition of KI's to gold boxes in Abyssea, have been less than encouraging to me.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Currently the development team is not looking at adjusting the amount of alexandrite needed, nor are they looking into increasing the methods by which alexandrite can be obtained. However, they will be making improvements and adjustments in order to rejuvenate salvage, assault, and other Treasures of Aht Urghan content.

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I will take that to mean they also aren't going to reduce the currency cost of relics either.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

I will take that to mean they also aren't going to reduce the currency cost of relics either.

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May be not; but now you don't have to pay to go to dyna and you can solo as much as you want 2 hours a day 7 days a week to get your coins instead of going twice a week and your ls leader will take all of them for his 8th relic which he still don't have a job to use.

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Originally Posted by Malacite

Honestly? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm sure they're thinking of something, and I hate to rag on the new Dev Team because they are doing a FANTASTIC job with the game thus far - but the recent dynamis change & addition of KI's to gold boxes in Abyssea, have been less than encouraging to me.

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Uh, how was adding sought after KIs to gold boxes a bad thing at all? lol

ATTN: Developers - A Polite Request regarding Adustments to Relic & Mythic Weapons ^^
when can we expect the implementation? It was addressed and a response was received by you
in mid March now we are 2.5 months ever since wondering if you still remember since it was not in 5/9 update
please kindly respond onegaishimasu m____m

SE stated that there are no plans to make Alexandrite more available and no plans to lower the cost of a Mythic.

SE also stated that they plan to balance the difficulty of creating Mythics and Relics.

Therefor SE plans to increase the difficulty of creating a Relic.



@ the people who insisted that SE meant balancing relics, mythics, and empyreans: Do you really want them to mean that now? Because in light of SE's most recent statement that means greatly increasing the difficulty of empyreans.

just to troll a little, that doesn't bother me. I've made the 3 empy that I wanted! :o

Did you ever see that kid who whines for something in the store, and their parents tell them no and to stop whining, then they keep whining and whining and whining. I always wondered why their parent didn't just spank them and tell them to stop, and wished I could do it myself so they shut up.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Did you ever see that kid who whines for something in the store, and their parents tell them no and to stop whining, then they keep whining and whining and whining. I always wondered why their parent didn't just spank them and tell them to stop, and wished I could do it myself so they shut up.

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I forget which side you're on again. Are you for relics/mythics getting a buff or against?

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

I forget which side you're on again. Are you for relics/mythics getting a buff or against?

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I'm on the "Stop making 50 million threads about it, and bumping this crap for 2 months, SE said they will fix it so have some patience and wait til 99" side. Which also means I don't care either way, just tired of the incessant whining and incorrect information in all of these threads. Whatever ends up being superior, if it is significant I will go get it, so it doesn't affect me.

I'm also on the side of "Only 5 empyreans are better then their mythic or relic counterparts, and only from a DPS standpoint, and their counterparts have uses as well, they just don't do more DPS" side of the argument, and think people are stupid to make blanket statements about how empyreans are overpowered and relics suck. Most relics and mythics are actually superior to or on par with the empyreans of the same type. There is only 5 which are just better, Great axe, H2H, Katana, Bow and Sword and their only superior if all you're looking at is DPS. And RNG is just terrible so it doesn't matter, and Sword is only better for weak mobs over Burt or Excal.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Did you ever see that kid who whines for something in the store, and their parents tell them no and to stop whining, then they keep whining and whining and whining. I always wondered why their parent didn't just spank them and tell them to stop, and wished I could do it myself so they shut up.

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If you're trying to give an analogy then the difference is the parent here is not even saying no and has not been saying anything for 2.5 months. And if you really don't care just ignore the threads and posts. Making a debate and argument in these forums is pointless. Whether right or wrong will not affect the outcome of what the development team decides. So if you do not support I as well as many would appreciate not going off topic on what the purpose of this thread was for.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

I forget which side you're on again. Are you for relics/mythics getting a buff or against?

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I'm on the side of please let it go already. It's clear they are caving to all the complaining to shut people up with the quick two changes they did last thing to burt/aegis with the last update. That is obviously going to continue with following updates. Mission accomplished. You've got them to act sooner than later. Can this thread DIE ALREADY? They said they are working on it. What more do people want? A first class ticket to Japan where you can supervise the damn work day in and out until it is completed?

"Hey, hey. No. Wait. I want to see better on that Excalibur. Try again. Or else I'll QUIT."


I'm very very pro making relics and mythics high above Empyreans for power....outside of Abyssea. The quests for those things are insane. They deserved far better since day 1 because they designed them around content instead of what they should have done, which was design content around them. That meant you did all of that work for essentially a gimp weapon that did not have the power to justify the amount of work required to obtain them. At the end of the day these weapons should run circles around Empyreans and eventually will. My problem with this whole relic business is that you people, self proclaimed experts of the game who look down on "noobs" like you're a somebody, completely and utterly failing hardcore with logic and understanding of what's going on with the ultimate weapons of this game, essentially turning into what you hate most, which is NOOBS. I I I. ME ME ME. NOW NOW NOW.

Have patience. Wait. In time, one day, once again, you'll be able to strut around with your relic weapon proclaiming #1. You will rejoice. The rest of us won't have to hear your whining anymore. We will rejoice. Everyone will win on this day. Life will go on. We will move on. Roses will fall from the heavens, and everyone will be at peace. Until that day, I speak for the masses when I say this: Take 5 for a breather. That's 5 months, not 5 minutes.

But we know already that isn't going to happen, now is it? People will feel compelled to remind SE just in case they FORGET, which they won't, about adjusting relic and mythics. And we're going to be doomed for the next 3 months with these threads by people who seriously believe SE is oblivious to the situation they created, as if it wasn't their intent from day 1 to give players something to do in a time where no big additions are planned post Abyssea and they need to buy time to check on it for who knows how long because they got like 3 people working on this game right now since everyone else is on FFXIV to try to save it. They can't and won't put down everything they are doing to give you stronger weapons. But they are working on it. Learn to have patience.

Well I think it's already obvious they are adjusting them. They already did aegis and burtgang like you said. I think people are greatly overestimating the ease at which these adjustments can be made. They clearly want to do it right the first time so they aren't going back and changing it again later needlessly.

I personally am more interested in the quest to obtain relics, as I am afraid of finishing mine and then two weeks later having it be 10x easier to complete. They stated they aren't reducing the cost of alexandrite for mythics, I wish they would come out and say for sure one way or the other for relics as well.

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Originally Posted by Vold

I'm on the side of please let it go already. It's clear they are caving to all the complaining to shut people up with the quick two changes they did last thing to burt/aegis with the last update. That is obviously going to continue with following updates. Mission accomplished. You've got them to act sooner than later. Can this thread DIE ALREADY? They said they are working on it. What more do people want? A first class ticket to Japan where you can supervise the damn work day in and out until it is completed?

But we know already that isn't going to happen, now is it? People will feel compelled to remind SE just in case they FORGET, which they won't, about adjusting relic and mythics. And we're going to be doomed for the next 3 months with these threads by people who seriously believe SE is oblivious to the situation they created, as if it wasn't their intent from day 1 to give players something to do in a time where no big additions are planned post Abyssea and they need to buy time to check on it for who knows how long because they got like 3 people working on this game right now since everyone else is on FFXIV to try to save it. They can't and won't put down everything they are doing to give you stronger weapons. But they are working on it. Learn to have patience.

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At this point really there is no clear indicator that there is anything planned or being worked on. That is the problem. The only thing that was said was "we recognize the issue and have plan to make adjustments". But really....what are the plans and when will the plans become reality? That's where we stand right now. About aegis/burtgang updates the fact that that was done with no explanation if those were the only plans puts everyone concerned about this in a limbo.

I'd like to formally apologize to everyone who feels annoyed by complaints and continuous follow ups demanding attention, however please understand that is the only thing we can do. I still do not understand to this point why other threads complain and get attention and we can't. In fact for those cases there were multiple threads open as opposed to ever since this thread was open we have not opened another thread. If you look on the first post, it was a compilation to alleviate that purpose. Either way if you do not like this thread or post just ignore, no one is forcing people to read. That is what the community reps are supposed to do to bring to the development team's attention and it seems there has been a deterioration on efficiency of this job function in reviewing posts.

And talking about patience, if 2.5 months was not considered long I don't know what else to call as patience. In fact the issue was addressed long before to even account the patience factor into.

I as well as others concerned about this are not expecting the development to drop what they are doing to work on this, but really....is it so hard to keep players informed? Once again inquiring is the only thing we can do until we get the proper information that is not being shared about the plans for adjustments.

Like I told you before, They said they were going to work on it. There is NOTHING to suggest they are no longer doing so.

You also need to realize that the next update, we will have 95 cap, which means new trials for Relic/Mythic and yes, Empys. They have a lot on their plate right now, and its all a balancing act. Whats the point of doing the relic/mythic part now, if lets say, they do something for empys at 95 that makes them "better" again.

Burtgang and Aegis were the easiest one to adjust, which is why it was most likely done first.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Like I told you before, They said they were going to work on it. There is NOTHING to suggest they are no longer doing so.

You also need to realize that the next update, we will have 95 cap, which means new trials for Relic/Mythic and yes, Empys. They have a lot on their plate right now, and its all a balancing act. Whats the point of doing the relic/mythic part now, if lets say, they do something for empys at 95 that makes them "better" again.

Burtgang and Aegis were the easiest one to adjust, which is why it was most likely done first.

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All are just assumptions and predictions. None that can be relied on until concrete information is presented. When balancing is done it makes more sense to make it noticable across levels:
lvl 85 emp relic mythic up since lvl 80 emps don't have ws's yet.
So that is no reason to postpone. Unless the next magian upgrade will be drastic like a complete weapon benefit revamp it is reasonable to expect balance applied from the current levels.

Well, you guys crying that SE has gone back on their word and are no longer going to adjust relics is "All are just assumptions and predictions."

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Well, you guys crying that SE has gone back on their word and are no longer going to adjust relics is "All are just assumptions and predictions."

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Complaining does not necessarily require crying or whining. But, yes with lack of response and keeping players informed it is indeed creating a doubt and loss of confidence in their word on making adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Kiba

Complaining does not necessarily require crying or whining. But, yes with lack of response and keeping players informed it is indeed creating a doubt and loss of confidence in their word on making adjustments.

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Do you seriously think they would post here and say they are going to fix it, follow through by adjusting aegis and burtgang, and then just leave the rest as they are?

If you have a relic you've been playing for a while. This is still SE we're talking about...

I'm sorry to bring this up because I doubt this effects that many people. But this seems a little unbalanced. Since the update the Lv.85-90 Relic weapon trial has become a lot more easy and faster to complete. While Lv.85-90 Mythic weapon trials are still very time consuming. You see, now that dynamis NMs like those needed for the relic trial are spawn NMs now, this trial can be done as part of a 2 hour dynamis run. But with the Mythic weapon trials you need to kill T4 ZNM three times. With only being able to trade 10 pics a game day to the NPC for Zeni. It takes 27 NMs in total for the 3 T4's needed. That's a minimum of 54,000 Zeni and a maximum of 162,000. With the average pic giving about 60 Zeni, that's 900 pics, 90 hours to trade them all or 3 days and 18 hours minimum! Than the 4,000~10,000 Zeni needed for the T4's and 500 Zeni for each person helping to access the island. Also since ZNM is something people don't do as much, less people have Zeni. Making the zeni farming fall on the trial holder. If you are not lucky enough to have friend with zeni to help pop all this stuff and hold trophies and key items. This takes even longer since you can only hold one pop item, trophy, or key item at a time. Needing to continue going from the NM spawn to the NPC to get another pop item and trade trophy than back to the spawn. I know it has been said that they will be making improvements and adjustments in order to rejuvenate salvage, assault, and other Treasures of Aht Urghan content. I just wanted to make sure this was not overlooked.
Thank You!
Potpressure from Odin!

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

SE stated that there are no plans to make Alexandrite more available and no plans to lower the cost of a Mythic.

SE also stated that they plan to balance the difficulty of creating Mythics and Relics.

Therefor SE plans to increase the difficulty of creating a Relic.

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They didn`t say anything remotely resembling the last line.

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Along with that, we are also planning to make an adjustment on both time and cost required to create and strengthen these weapons.
Eventually, we would like to even out the difference on time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

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If anything from that statement, they plan to balance out acquiring Mythics and Relics to be more in line with Empyrean. i.e Easier to obtain.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

If anything from that statement, they plan to balance out acquiring Mythics and Relics to be more in line with Empyrean. i.e Easier to obtain.

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I think it's clear, due to the latest info about alex cost not being reduced, that they were only talking about relics and mythics in that statement.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

I think it's clear, due to the latest info about alex cost not being reduced, that they were only talking about relics and mythics in that statement.

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See full statement below, you`re incorrect.

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We are aware that there currently exists a major difference between the strength of Empyrean weapons and that of Relic and Mythic weapons.

In regards to that balance issue, we are planning to make adjustments. We plan to create a higher level of balance by strengthening both Relic and Mythic weapons instead of simply weakening Empyrean weapons.

Along with that, we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create and strengthen Relic and Mythic weapons. Eventually, we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

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You said balance out acquiring mythics and relics to be in line with empyrean.

The only information in that post about acquiring weapons is the last paragraph which states:

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Along with that, we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create and strengthen Relic and Mythic weapons. Eventually, we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

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1)Empyrean weapons are not mentioned

2)They recently said they are not reducing the alex cost of mythics, which are the biggest cockblock for acquiring one. So this leads us to believe that when they said "we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons", weapons is only referring to mythics and relics, not empyreans.

Or are you suggesting that they are going to make empyreans as difficult to acquire as mythics?

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1)Empyrean weapons are not mentioned

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Empyrean weapons are quite clearly mentioned in the first paragraph of the statement. The statement was a direct response to people`s concerns about Empys being way easier to get than Mythic and Relic.

They also followed up with:
- In regards to that balance issue (the one mentioned in the first paragraph)
- Along with that (referring back to the second paragraph, inclusive of the first: see above)

Anyway, that fact is that they`ve already stated they intend to have more Dynamis currency in circulation, which is a step towards making Relics easier to obtain, not harder. Unless you want to dispute what they openly stated there too.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

You said balance out acquiring mythics and relics to be in line with empyrean.

The only information in that post about acquiring weapons is the last paragraph which states:

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Along with that, we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create and strengthen Relic and Mythic weapons. Eventually, we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

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1)Empyrean weapons are not mentioned in the last paragraph where it talks about acquisition.

2)They recently said they are not reducing the alex cost of mythics, which are the biggest cockblock for acquiring one. So this leads us to believe that when they said "we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons", weapons is only referring to mythics and relics, not empyreans.

Or are you suggesting that they are going to make empyreans as difficult to acquire as mythics?

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Please reread the emphasized parts in my reply to you.

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Please reread the emphasized parts in my reply to you.

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I did, you`re still wrong. The whole statement is about Empys vs. Relics/Mythics. You can`t just disassociate the last paragraph for the purposes of proving a point...

Lord knows why you`d want to think they intend to make relics harder anyway.

Anyway, I`m done with this apart from coming back in a year and saying `I told you so`.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

I did, you`re still wrong. The whole statement is about Empys vs. Relics/Mythics. You can`t just disassociate the last paragraph for the purposes of proving a point...

Lord knows why you`d want to think they intend to make relics harder anyway.

Anyway, I`m done with this apart from coming back in a year and saying `I told you so`.

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It doesn't appear to me that the last paragraph is referring to empyrean weapons. Since the sentence before that referred only to mythics and relics. The earlier paragraph referring to empyreans was not talking about acquisition, only about the strength of the weapons.

This interpretation is strengthened by the fact that they said they are not going to reduce the alex cost of mythic weapons. If we do believe that they are going to do what they say about mythics, and leave the current alex cost in place, and also believe that "weapons" in the last paragraph was referring to empyrean weapons as well as relics and mythics, then that means the acquisition of empyrean weapons must greatly increase in difficulty to match that of mythics.

Since I find it highly unlikely that they are going to increase the difficulty to acquire empyreans to match that of mythics, I am inclined to believe that "weapons" as they stated in the last paragraph, is only referring to mythics and relics.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Do you seriously think they would post here and say they are going to fix it, follow through by adjusting aegis and burtgang, and then just leave the rest as they are?

If you have a relic you've been playing for a while. This is still SE we're talking about...

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Although the term ninja fix is used on changes done silently I think also fits this situation. With the lack of insight on providing information and continuous ignoring of inquiries I seriously am doubtful. And I'm sure many others like me feel the same. It may be that the excuse will be "we fixed aegis and burtgang" that should count for ALL relics and mythics and players should already assume these are the adjustment we said we'll do. Once again this is an assumption and guess, not concrete at all. The fact is that no update notes said anything about "this is the first part of our adjustments on relic and mythic weapons. more adjustments will be expected by [this future version update]. And because of this players concerned about this are lost, asking "was that it?" But if that really is a case, a poorly half done job was done and is pathetic.

Many mistakes have been done over the years and have been buried over time through improvements in development. So my trust and faith has not been absolute. Point comes down if they want us to believe they are working on this then it should not be difficult just to respond and provide information. It is truly disappointing every other day a new set of responses but none on this when several have inquired around time community reps are posting.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

This interpretation is strengthened by the fact that they said they are not going to reduce the alex cost of mythic weapons. If we do believe that they are going to do what they say about mythics, and leave the current alex cost in place, and also believe that "weapons" in the last paragraph was referring to empyrean weapons as well as relics and mythics, then that means the acquisition of empyrean weapons must greatly increase in difficulty to match that of mythics.

Since I find it highly unlikely that they are going to increase the difficulty to acquire empyreans to match that of mythics, I am inclined to believe that "weapons" as they stated in the last paragraph, is only referring to mythics and relics.

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It's quite possible that the next two stages on Empyrean weapons may be greatly increased in difficulty.

Yes that may be true but I have a feeling that we will be getting quite a few fragments. Wish SE would answer us already.

Hey SE come on already.

[dev1016] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments Scheduled for When ^^?

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

It's quite possible that the next two stages on Empyrean weapons may be greatly increased in difficulty.

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That I don't think so.

The reason is that Aby is the big sale for FFXI and from all other relative updates (multiple ???) you can tell SE wants to keep it this way, and because so many n00n got emp wpn now if they bump up the difficulties upgrading they will probably destroy this forum in a day.

Okay, [dev1016] became Grounds of Valor Adjustments ^^;

[dev1017] Relic & Mythic Adjustments Scheduled for [date]
{Yes, Please} ^^

I believe the new Relic buffs will come with the 95 cap.

I also hope the dev's are careful with this buff a small number of Relic weapons are currently more powerful then their Empryean counter parts, which I firmly agree on Relics being superior. I just don't want to see them buffed to the point Mythic or Empryean weapons are not even worth having.

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Originally Posted by Toren

I believe the new Relic buffs will come with the 95 cap.

I also hope the dev's are careful with this buff a small number of Relic weapons are currently more powerful then their Empryean counter parts, which I firmly agree on Relics being superior. I just don't want to see them buffed to the point Mythic or Empryean weapons are not even worth having.

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A) Please list the relic weapons that are better. Bow, gun, h2h, great katana, great axe, katana, staff certainly not. Polearm, club and scythe likely not. Great sword, axe and sword I'm not sure of so may be a wash. That leaves shield and horn and dagger. Certainly a lot of people rate those well. I'm highly doubtful that the mythics fare this well in comparison.

B) Please justify the notion that SHOULD SE actually make relics and mythics 5% better than empyreans, that people will choose not to do a weapon that can be completed by a duo today in a few weeks and will choose instead to spend months / years to collect 120 million gil to do a relic.

The main problem with your argument is that since September when the new WS made empyreans superior and the new levels made them easy to obtain, there have been well over 4,000 empyreans created while the number of completed relics and mythics has fallen to a dribble.

Either empyreans are really far easier to get than relics/mythics or really much better than relics/mythics or both. (In most cases the answer is that it's both.)

Unless you want SE to make relics and mythics better than empyreans, then you must be ready to ask SE to make it MUCH easier to get relics and mythics than empyreans. Otherwise, what you want is the status quo.

Keep in mind also, that WOE magian weapons are in many cases also better than relics, at least in Abyssea, while in many cases, often better outside.

You should not try to protect the feelings of people that obtained weapons that are the easiest to get and the best to have. Just enjoy the fact that SE has enabled so many people to easily stomp all over the efforts that others made. I know the people who have gotten 8 or 9 of these in the last few months are quite happy!

closer to 200m now that currency price going up. i know aegis on valefor is something like 230m if you convert the currency to gil.

Actually, I believe Relic and Mythic GKT are pretty close. I think relic gun is actually better than empy for RNG, Not sure about Bow but SAM can use bow as well so thats a use.

As for as Scythe, not sure since DRK is generally a dead job anyways.

From what ive heard, people make a big deal but only H2H, Gaxe, Katana, Sword ( im pretty sure) and gun for COR are better then their relics.