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Originally Posted by Runespider

I don't check the forums as much as I used to but who do you consider the worst posters that are posting anon?

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More than likely those who purposefully choose a mule so they can "be free to insult on the forum and not have it come back to them in-game."

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More than likely those who purposefully choose a mule so they can "be free to insult on the forum and not have it come back to them in-game."

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Yeah but you assume that people that do that care about being known, infact most trolls are proud of it and are the same ingame, they want to be known. Most of these really hardcore trollers are kept out by being forced into having a valid content id to post.

The problem I have with many that post in this topic is they have no valid argument at all for thier point of view, mule character posters are not raving trolls lashing out at everyone and post many decent additions to the forum. The accusations have very little grounding in the reality of the situation.

There's about 2/10 who genuinely care about the "privacy" aspect of it, and actually contribute to the community.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

You don't visit here much do you? Almost all the worst posters here show their proper character details, check and see.

As for the level 30 thing, you can get to 30 easily in a day with fov on a mule, or a couple of hours if you have the means. What they should do is force you to show all your characters on an account, that way you can't use a mule!

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I'm using a gardening account so that wouldn't affect me.

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There's about 2/10 who genuinely care about the "privacy" aspect of it, and actually contribute to the community.

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This place is considered on every other forum that exists to be completely moronic anyway, mule poster or not.

Read the topics on the first few pages and say with a straight face a lot of them aren't retarded (and made by genuine char posters).

If people could point at something genuine as a reason for the hatred for mule posters then fine but the truth is, there aren't any. Many seem to think it means a damn that your name is there but in reality it adds no value to your posts at all, it's not a seal of quality or intelligence and it doesn't mean you have any more manners than anyone else. You can't even say having a 90 job means you have knowledge of it to comment, many level jobs 1>90 that they have honestly never actually even played anyway (key whoring etc).

Post the names of the mule posters that are such a horrible moronic influence on these forums, lets see if it's worse than the norm.


You can't because you possibly can't understand how anyone but you thinks maybe? ie. You like chocolate ice cream so how could anyone else in the world not like it right?

The way someone sees their ingame time maybe different from the way you view it, or hell maybe they just don't want to be forced to do something they don't want to for no valid reason. Why should people be forced to combine their forum persona to their ingame one if they really don't want to and feel uncomfortable doing so.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

There's about 2/10 who genuinely care about the "privacy" aspect of it, and actually contribute to the community.

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You go on and on about how forcing people to show their characters will make people behave but at the same time you certainly are free with the personal insults. You two are proof of why your own argument is invalid.

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You go on and on about how forcing people to show their characters will make people behave but at the same time you certainly are free with the personal insults. You two are proof of why your own argument is invalid.

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I read his post and was about to do the same thing you did lol

There are something like 3 people who play FFXI and know my RL name. Privacy is a fairly big deal to me, as I don't really want my RL name associated with an MMO if someone goes to google me. That said, I don't see how keeping your in-game name secret is particularly important.

I wouldn't even click on this thread anymore if I wasn't quasi-fascinated by how much you guys seem to care about something so entirely and unarguably unimportant.

Feel free to point out how I've invalidated my argument.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

Feel free to point out how I've invalidated my argument.

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An admin had to edit your previous post because you were calling people names. And the other post by Scuro was so inflammatory that the admins completely deleted it.

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There are something like 3 people who play FFXI and know my RL name. Privacy is a fairly big deal to me, as I don't really want my RL name associated with an MMO if someone goes to google me. That said, I don't see how keeping your in-game name secret is particularly important.

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Lets put it this way, there are people that don't care if others know their RL name ingame and use it in parties etc. To those people your post makes no sense, what do you have to hide they may ask...or what does it hurt for people to know your name? The point isnt really to have to justify it, it's that it would bother you (just as this issue bothers some of us).

Different people have different levels of what they consider privacy, some would laugh and be totally unable to grasp what you just posted as many here seem to be towards those that have a problem with this.

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Feel free to point out how I've invalidated my argument.

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In my eyes, you argue that people who post their character name are of a higher calibre, are worth more, are more trustworthy and generally more worthwhile to this forum. You go on to say that people that post using mules are trolls, flamers, moronic..etc.

Then you get someone like mr Scuro post what he just did totally invalidating everything you are trying to say. His post was so stupid it was deleted by an admin, notice his name blazed onto his sidebar there..it didn't stop him did it? I don't see any mule posters being anything like what you say, I see a heck of a lot of main character posters fitting right into that description you keep using though.

lol I just saw your own post has been edited for flaming, breaking the rules of the forum..

Wow ... my post was in need of moderation..seriously? My statement was on topic, and about as PG-13 as possible. I most certainly did not target anyone by name either. As far as what someone else posted after me I have no control over other peoples comments.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

My statement was on topic, and about as PG-13 as possible.

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Your post was edited for "inflammatory comments" so the admins disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

I most certainly did not target anyone by name either.

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It was plain to everyone that your comment was directed at anyone who doesn't want their character name shown. Just because you didn't name anyone specifically doesn't mean that your flaming wasn't directed at specific people.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

Wow ... my post was in need of moderation..seriously? My statement was on topic, and about as PG-13 as possible. I most certainly did not target anyone by name either. As far as what someone else posted after me I have no control over other peoples comments.

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Your post could have said "Sir, I disagree with you for these reasons, Your idea is illogical" and it can be removed if enough people report it enough times :D.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

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You called people "moronic" that's inflammatory in my book.

And now you are thumbing your nose at the admin 's decision.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I don't check the forums as much as I used to but who do you consider the worst posters that are posting anon?

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Hordecore. Dallas. Akujima. Who do you consider horrible posters who are showing off their name?

I never said all of the anon posters are bad. I'm simply challenging your assertion that the worst posters on these boards are not anon. You have yet to provide a specific example of these worst posters who show off their name and "exploits".

That must mean it's time to rally the mule army, and report some more posts yeah?

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Hordecore. Dallas. Akujima. Who do you consider horrible posters who are showing off their name?

I never said all of the anon posters are bad. I'm simply challenging your assertion that the worst posters on these boards are not anon. You have yet to provide a specific example of these worst posters who show off their name and "exploits".

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The 3 people you mentioned are not people hiding behind mules, they are posters from before change. This whole argument is about posters "hiding" behind mules being negative or not as good as anyone else and nobody can show mule posters that are actually anything but valid, decent members of this community, not to say you said it directly but that is the general idea from many posting in this.

I won't name names but there really are some stupid posters on this place, look at the EU maint ime thread for instance. Ultimately I don't think this forum has any really "bad" posters though, there are some childish posters that are trying to bring the FFXIAH mentality over but even they aren't really bad.

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That must mean it's time to rally the mule army, and report some more posts yeah?

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I think you've run out of things to say, the point was you got busted on what you falsely accused people on doing while you did them yourself and that the next "linked poster" made a post so trollish/stupid it was deleted, further disproving any notion that linked = better or more accountable.

lol its funny because my post got deleted and it had no ill will or offense towards anyone, just was blatantly stating the facts that I won't restate because apparently big brother finds me to be mean apparently. Eh doesn't much matter, over all the point is, this topic is just foolish. There isn't a point in arguing it anymore because people are so attached to their characters they actually feel that revealing their name is a violation of privacy. What a crock lol. Oh well. As far as I'm concerned if you really feel like leaving because you have your anonymous avatar placed in the forum along with its job and server. Well then I say even more Kudos to SE for instating a policy to weed out those that probably shouldn't be on the forums in the first place.

Its funny because at this point it should be evidently clear to the admins as well as the people posting who are the true trolls fueling this argument. Since its really only 2 people at this point fighting one side against at least a solid 6. I really think at this point and time its clear that people don't mind displaying their names, that they should make the highest character your main character, and that by no means is SE out of bounds for having players display the information that they are letting us rent.

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lol its funny because my post got deleted and it had no ill will or offense towards anyone, just was blatantly stating the facts that I won't restate because apparently big brother finds me to be mean apparently. Eh doesn't much matter, over all the point is, this topic is just foolish. There isn't a point in arguing it anymore because people are so attached to their characters they actually feel that revealing their name is a violation of privacy. What a crock lol. Oh well. As far as I'm concerned if you really feel like leaving because you have your anonymous avatar placed in the forum along with its job and server. Well then I say even more Kudos to SE for instating a policy to weed out those that probably shouldn't be on the forums in the first place.

Its funny because at this point it should be evidently clear to the admins as well as the people posting who are the true trolls fueling this argument. Since its really only 2 people at this point fighting one side against at least a solid 6. I really think at this point and time its clear that people don't mind displaying their names, that they should make the highest character your main character, and that by no means is SE out of bounds for having players display the information that they are letting us rent.

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Numbers mean nothing, the sad truth is that many have stopped posting here out of principle or because they didn't want to be forced to do something pointless. People that added to the forum and that should of never been forced to leave, what is left is not the "cream of the crop" by any means..reading some of the horrid posts shows that very well.

I still find it amusing how many people shout out the word troll without the knowledge of what it means. According to many, differing oppinion = troll. Maybe it's good so many people judge a posters worth based on their ingame account, cause if it was judged by what they actually post here many may lose any respect they seem to think they have at all.

Anything that gets reported for moderation gets heavily editted/deleted regardless of its content.

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Anything that gets reported for moderation gets heavily editted/deleted regardless of its content.

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I don't think the mods here are quite that stupid, report my post and lets see though. You know as well as I do that's not true though so I doubt you will.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

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Thank you. My thoughts exactly.

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You make a flaming post and you expect it not to get nuked if it was reported? XD You have no point at all, but at least you had fun writing that I guess. I've only bothered to report one person in my time here and honestly that was more effort than I cared for so I certainly won't be reporting your post. The way I look at it, if you make a idiotic flame or nonsense post it does more damage how others see you than reporting it and having it removed. As I said before though I rate someone on here by the posts they make and not their amazing level 90 job, so maybe i'm in the minority.

This isn't 2005. Getting jobs to level 90 is the work of a night and takes neither skill nor dedication. Why do you care if people can see that you have level 90 jobs?

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Originally Posted by Byrth

This isn't 2005. Getting jobs to level 90 is the work of a night and takes neither skill nor dedication. Why do you care if people can see that you have level 90 jobs?

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They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.

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This in a nutshell.

We've already addressed the in-game abuse notion directly. It's a completely unjustified and unfounded fear. Meanwhile, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people being forced to think a bit before they speak. It's not like they're going to be abused because they say something stupid. People are just going to think they're a complete idiot. Which is well within their rights.

At the same time, it prevents pointless posturing like the crap Dallas spewed all over the Mythic/Emp/Relic Staff thread, and the BS TearValerin/Andylynn caused with his sock fake Gungnir account. Calling people epic gimps when they themselves are horribly geared, or pretending to have relics so that they can inflate their already bursting sense of self-importance and e-ego, that sort of thing is what turns legitimate discussions into steaming piles of crap.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.

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inb4Postmoderated. This is an Opinion i can agree with.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.

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I'd bake you cookies for this post. <3

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They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.

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If this were true would we not be spouting horrible things, safe behind out curtain of anonymity? Most everyone is posting nothing more horrible than anyone else, we all just simply want to be a part of the forum the devs probably check now and then.

I want to post here because I want a say in the game I pay to play, I should not be forced into linking my ingame time to whatever views I have that I post on a forum. Especially since they in all honestly have zero influence on it anyway, the point is I don't want to, and why should it be forced on me just becacuse you want it to be (for no valid reason either).

As for tarnishing reputations, we all know that the only things that tarnish reputations are ingame actions. Me calling someone a assface on a forum won't effect that, still dosen't change the fact some of us like to keep them seperate.

Okay, I think i just realized this has nothing to do with the forums. its "I'M GROWN UP AND I DONT WANNA! I DONT WANNA I DONT WANNA I DONT WANNA" argument now.

Its never been about linking character Data, you just don't like being told what to do. Its okay really. I understand how you feel.

Click new posts up at the top, about 50% of them are worthless suggestions, complaints, and just fodder in general. Not worth putting thought into, much better for just trolling. If you want to put thought and consideration into your posts, do it on a forum worthy of such.

The only truely sad part of this whole thing is that it stopped a lot of decent posters being active here (on forums their subscriptions pay for), whether because they were worried about ingame privacy, because they wanted the two to be kept seperate or because they just didn't want to be forced to do something utterly pointless.

Personally I wanted more people to post here, not less.

Honestly the silly part of this whole thing is, the forums that have had the biggest impact on FFXI over the years are all anon to post.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

The only truely sad part of this whole thing is that it stopped a lot of decent posters being active here (on forums their subscriptions pay for), whether because they were worried about ingame privacy, because they wanted the two to be kept seperate or because they just didn't want to be forced to do something utterly pointless.

Personally I wanted more people to post here, not less.

Honestly the silly part of this whole thing is, the forums that have had the biggest impact on FFXI over the years are all anon to post.

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I ask this in complete seriousness.

Who do you consider a "decent poster" who stopped posting because of this? Cause when i look around i still see the same names i consider the best and most knowledgeable posters still posting.

Look around the topics on here, you will see quite a lot of worthwhile posters who have no characters linked to their accounts, many of them seem to of stopped posting around the same time.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Look around the topics on here, you will see quite a lot of worthwhile posters who have no characters linked to their accounts, many of them seem to of stopped posting around the same time.

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I'm sorry if this comes off as rude but I do not want to look around for your opinion. I asked you if you could name me the people you feel were good posters who stopped posting.

I Can't look at the beginning of this thread and find people you think were good, Our opinions are different. I'd like you to name them so i can more easily see and understand the point you are trying to make.

Obviously our opinions on good posters are different, Good is a subjective term, Which is why i asked you which do you feel are the good posters who are gone now. Because our opinions on good will vary, I Can look back and not find anyone, while you may have some names in mind.

Edit: The only people I don't see with linked accounts are "Tsukino_Kaji", Who was actually for this adjustment, So i doubt thats why he stopped posting, and GlobalVariable, who after reading I think is probably the one "not bad" person to stop posting. He wasn't bad/troll, But the forums will live without him.

Edit2: Looks like Tsukino is posting now though. So its just GlobalVariable.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Edit: The only people I don't see with linked accounts are "Tsukino_Kaji"

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Funny story actualy. I linked right away and imediately complained that it displayed me as sam instead of whm when sam had never been selected. Is what happed was, I fell victim to that july payment glitch. Which, without an active ID, seems to have dropped it while my account was down.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Funny story actualy. I linked right away and imediately complained that it displayed me as sam instead of whm when sam had never been selected. Is what happed was, I fell victim to that july payment glitch. Which, without an active ID, seems to have dropped it while my account was down.

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Lordy >_>, That really sucks D:

Ya as I said before, and Karbuncle is addressing this, the act of a forum troll is not that their opinion differs... Oh no, its that they start an argument, and prolong it until people give up and accept their statement. Til then they will keep fueling a pointless argument, that has reached its end probably 10-20 pages ago, when a ratio of 6 to 2 people agree that linking names is ok in the eyes of the community. To say otherwise is just denying majority vote here, and while we are not exactly a representation of the entire community, if a fraction of us say yes, and an even miniscule fraction say no, what do you think that will say in the grander spectrum of the community? Pretty sure the same thing.

I would love to see who actually stopped posting, because from what I can tell.... no one has stopped posting, everybody linked their characters as soon as possible, and a lot of us still enjoy posting here. If you can name some people, their post amount, and to what topics they did such a "monumental contribution" to please, write them down, but pretty much.... everything is the same, except now your avatar info is below your Screen Name. I pretty much fail to see a reason to keep griping about this when its clear that people are ok with avatar information being displayed, and I personally want it to stay.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

This in a nutshell.

We've already addressed the in-game abuse notion directly. It's a completely unjustified and unfounded fear. Meanwhile, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people being forced to think a bit before they speak. It's not like they're going to be abused because they say something stupid. People are just going to think they're a complete idiot. Which is well within their rights.

At the same time, it prevents pointless posturing like the crap Dallas spewed all over the Mythic/Emp/Relic Staff thread, and the BS TearValerin/Andylynn caused with his sock fake Gungnir account. Calling people epic gimps when they themselves are horribly geared, or pretending to have relics so that they can inflate their already bursting sense of self-importance and e-ego, that sort of thing is what turns legitimate discussions into steaming piles of crap.

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There is room for other motivations in using a mule. None of the above describes me yet I have very valid reasons for using the mule. 1. It allows me to feel safe in asking questions and trying to be a better player. 2. On my last online game I was followed by some guy who wanted to date me even after I changed servers. I used the same name for my Character on both games it fits me to a T. I don't know if someone googles the name it would point to ffx1. I know if i google it the guild point list from my other game still come up. I will comply and list it here if they insist. However, until that time comes I would rather err on the side of caution and not list the name. I have never even once called names or tolled or flamed anyone on these forums. I prefer to use it as a resource to get answers to my questions. I don't think it is fair to paint everyone who choose to use a mule as trouble. Also. GG i'm not saying you personally advocate this. I'm just using your post because it sums up the views of this thread as I understand them nicely.