Abyssea outside of Abyssea - Yay?

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Unless your friends are PLD/RDM/SCH/DRK/PUP/etc

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Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I didn't say that either, I think you know what I meant. Currently atmas make us invincible (or damn near it) in abyssea and anyone can gather a group of people and kill any nm. Wiping makes no difference (provided noone else claims the mob when it goes white). I was really hoping for something new where we wouldn't receive any status boosts, but where we would have to actually play smart.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

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The people that really suck still wipe. It's just alot harder because of Apoc atma. So long as they don't have apoc in voidwatch you can probably guarantee alot less cockblocking by bad players.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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Sure i'm aware of that, it just so happens that my 5 jobs (SCH RDM SMN RNG DNC) are all useless. The fact that any job is 'useless' is the sticking point. Anyway I hope this voidwatch stuff is a little more inclusive than abyssea has become lately.

People forget the old days fast don't they.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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You missed the etc.

The game is more fun with lots of jobs. But its even more fun when you get to play the jobs you like instead of what's needed. My main is dnc, and it actually does pretty good in abyssea, but Im on it so much Im starting to get sick of it. I have nin and mnk too, but I dont particularly want to play those, I'd rather play sch, or cor. I have friends though who never get to play their favourite jobs now and were practically forced to lvl up things like whm or blm to be 'useful'. But for alot of people, playing a job simply because its useful doesnt necessarily make the game fun at all..

Dijana with out trying to be insulting, thats the way the game has always been. Almost all large endgame shells would only take you if you had brd rdm or whm leveled and sometimes only if they were fully merited. HNM LSs were the worst that pushed people to level jobs they didn't like just to get a shot at gear they wanted for the jobs they liked to play. Now the one exception if you were a DD was to be a drk with K.club.

Should try to look up some old HNM LS apps some of the crap that they wanted would make abyssea look trivial in terms of wanted or useful jobs.

Well HNM LSs in general were the worst thing in the game ever. You can blame RMT for some of the ridiculousness on the AH and the economy but I'd bet everything I have on HNMLSs being a major contributor to those things in the past. This, of course, is completely irrelevant. As it stands, that's a relatively skewed outlook on things. They only wanted those jobs because they already had the other jobs and needed less of them. The fact remains that they still NEEDED jobs like Paladin and more for various reasons. Abyssea did away with that, and now if you don't have at least one of a select few jobs (mnk/thf/nin/whm/blm/blu/war) you're relatively screwed if you want to do such things. My COR gets absolutely no air time in abyssea and it's my main (best geared, piles of gear from pre-abyssea). PLD, the first job I leveled, gets no air time either. The most I get to do with anything other than NIN is proc on my SAM once or twice while subbing DNC and healing people. That's right, my Samurai is essentially a back line healer now in abyssea. My DRG? I have a DRG?

One thing I'm noticing in this thread is that people are using "alot" a lot. I know this is a forum dedicated to a fantasy game, but let's not use imaginary words. Once is a typo. More than once is L2spell. "Alot" isn't a word. Seriously. Look it up. I find it hard to take the opinions of anyone who uses fakewords srsly. Do you guys use Firefox at all? It has an auto spell-checker. Notice that it's underlining "alot"? It doesn't recognize make believe words. (inb4 "y u mad?")

Grammar lessens aside, I think comments like "what skill was required before Abyssea?" should be condemned. There was. Maybe you personally chose not to exercise it. That doesn't mean it was never there. It isn't there now. It's all about crit damage, sky-high HP and unlimited MP. If it becomes like this outside of Abyssea, I think I'll do everyone a favor and go play Perfect World or something. Those of us that defeated CoP pre-nerf in 2006, were in darter's aery WITHOUT a bot, and those of us who were 6 manning sky gods at 75 cap might be a little offended by the current state of the game and were looking for respite with the coming update. Casual/Easy =/= Fun. Accomplishments are something that seem to have lost meaning.

PLD was one of the jobs that HNM didn't take either, some would go as far to say "We already have tanks so don't expect to get gear for your pld or nin over our existing tank".

What you said bout drg is same way I felt getting forced to go on Sam with no merits then my fully merited blu almost fully merited drg and far better geared. I was so sick of sam when I left my last endgame shell I sold my hagun for 100 gil in my bazzar at 75 way before abyssea. That was my only really nice piece of gear for it, truely a AH sam and till that shell a after thought for just a differnt merit job. Just saying there will always be bandwagon jobs and people not getting to play the jobs they want if they don't want to put thier own runs together.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Sure i'm aware of that, it just so happens that my 5 jobs (SCH RDM SMN RNG DNC) are all useless. The fact that any job is 'useless' is the sticking point. Anyway I hope this voidwatch stuff is a little more inclusive than abyssea has become lately.

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How is DNC useless? Sub /NIN for proc spells and you can tank too! RNG has a lot of the Blue piercing procs, not to mention Gandiva is pretty powerful to DD with. I often get to go on RNG and have our LS THF go another job and I just Bounty Shot the NMs, from experience, BS is a great sub for TH. SCH/RDM can main heal pretty effectively when farming/seal hunting/various NMs. You don't always need a WHM for everything, it's just nice. SMNs are pretty good soloers with DC atma. :)