PS2 limitation new Zone solution.

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Originally Posted by rog

Except only the ps2 version needs to run within 32 mb of ram. The pc version already does not even come close to that, usually taking 3-5x more.

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Yeah do people think they just took the PS2 version of the game and reformatted it for PC & 360?

They have made a lot of adjustments to make it run more smoothly on PC & the 360. Heck my 360 freezes after running the game for 8+ hours, I have to hook my ipod up to it and play music in order for the system to read the disc again. This a code issue with the 360 that has been around for awhile now but they have yet to rectify this.

Your PC is using more then 32mb of Ram to play the game. So to blame everything on the 32 mb ram the PS2 has is nuts.

OK the PS2 may not be able to handle alot of the upgrades people want, but they could change that for PC & 360 players. Now adding new area's that PS2 players can not access is just wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Vold

Really, why bother with designing challenging content if all we're going to do is skip as much of it as possible?

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Because it's not within human nature to "gimp" yourself. You're always going to use the method that works best. The problem is that SE designed monsters that can be killed that way.

When people start walking to work instead of driving, then you can argue your point. Until then, understand that people aren't going to make things harder for themselves.

But not adding new areas because of ps2 users holding everyone back is right. Ok.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

All this boils down to is PS2 players trying to make excuses and not understanding how hardware works.
Also not understanding how a 100 dollar computer can play FFXI flawlessly as can a 200 dollar laptop.

Give up, it's going to happen eventually even if you don't like it.
I suggest trying to get a computer now but, even so you're posting posts on a forum so you MUST have a computer unless you're on a phone.

If you pay for a monthly game, and a monthly internet bill you can afford a 100 dollar computer or 200 dollar laptop.
Stop holding almost the entirety of the FFXI population because YOU don't want to move on.
This isn't about YOU, it's about FFXI being held back due to the PS2's hardware standards.

Stop lying to yourself and just admit you don't want to move on to a Computer or a Xbox 360 because of YOU.

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Right, and is even worse when is at the point where everyone could only pay a 2$ extra to get them upgraded, i just don't get it is all... SE really need to do something about it, i am really shocked that only 8% are still on PS2.

Let face number (say SE have 200,000 user)

92% = 184,000 * 15$/month = 2,760,000$ we pay per month...
8% = 16,000 * 15$/month = 240,000$ they pay per month...

And all SE do is keep supporting PS2, i am sorry but this is just shocking, even worse if SE have 500k+ player. Like i said, i am sure no one would care at all to pay a stupid 2$/month for a yr only to get this 'FFXI being held back' issue fixed.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

All this boils down to is PS2 players trying to make excuses and not understanding how hardware works.
Also not understanding how a 100 dollar computer can play FFXI flawlessly as can a 200 dollar laptop.

Give up, it's going to happen eventually even if you don't like it.
I suggest trying to get a computer now but, even so you're posting posts on a forum so you MUST have a computer unless you're on a phone.

If you pay for a monthly game, and a monthly internet bill you can afford a 100 dollar computer or 200 dollar laptop.
Stop holding almost the entirety of the FFXI population because YOU don't want to move on.
This isn't about YOU, it's about FFXI being held back due to the PS2's hardware standards.

Stop lying to yourself and just admit you don't want to move on to a Computer or a Xbox 360 because of YOU.

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I do not and never will own a PC. I paid almost 5k for my mac and I love it. I do own an Xbox 360, along with a PS3. I DO play the game on my 360 but still have the PS2 fully updated for when friends or my wife would like to play.

Ending the Ps2 support would not affect me at all, but I still feel the fundamentals of doing so is wrong.

Call me what you want, and say what you will but it is MY OPINION and I am entitled to it.

Here's a list of things that could be fixed.

Less pop in
Faster load times
No more play online viewer, or a better version of play online viewer
a more robust messaging system
No more having half if not more of Jueno being ghosts due to inability to render everyone
No more hit detection problems when AoE is being used on like 20+ enemies.
More U.I. tweaks to make things easier
More U.I. Customizability to make things more versatile.
Less testing needed, bug hunting, and trouble shooting.
Opprotunity to add more worlds to the game, new lands, and maybe even new quest types that may not be possible on PS2 hardware.
and so much more could be yours for the low low price of playing on a better platform.

Now what's the argument against other than some people may have to get an old computer for cheap or a 360 to play?


Since FF XIV started off as a project to upgrade the graphics off FFXI it's not as if there's no desire in Square Enix to give the game a more updated look. Once again though that would have led to the PS2 being abandoned and so once again the PS2 is holding everything back.

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Originally Posted by NightDagger

I do not and never will own a PC. I paid almost 5k for my mac and I love it. I do own an Xbox 360, along with a PS3. I DO play the game on my 360 but still have the PS2 fully updated for when friends or my wife would like to play.

Ending the Ps2 support would not affect me at all, but I still feel the fundamentals of doing so is wrong.

Call me what you want, and say what you will but it is MY OPINION and I am entitled to it.

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A mac is a PC. It is a personal Computer. You can install bootcamp, and load up windows of your choice, and voila...

Heck imagine if they made a mac client or even a linux client when they drop PS2 support? Your opinion is that people should just deal with subscribers decreasing, and having a hard time getting new subscribers because of the aged qualities of the game, and that FFXI should not be trying to prevent or slow its demise down at all by making the game look newer and fresher to show people who abandoned it that they are still committed to making a quality product better and to get more new blood interested?

That's your argument? That FFXI should continue getting realatively worse every year by the standards of the rest of the MMOs improving every year, while FFXI holds its ground to stay an artifact of the PS2 generation rather than continue to evolve and progress?

Not a very good opinion IMO.

I'll never understand why people pay 5k for a mac. I paid 1.5 k if you combine the price of my computer, a new power supply, a new video card, a new hard drive, 2 monitors, my keyboards, etcetera. It can even handle FF XIV.

2k is the upper limit I'd pay. Are you a photo, video, or music creator?

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

I suggest trying to get a computer now but, even so you're posting posts on a forum so you MUST have a computer unless you're on a phone.

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Ironically, even my phone has 256MB of RAM and a 16GB HDD - and that's 2 1/2 years old.

So yah, FFXI for iPhone plz!

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Originally Posted by Haldarn

Ironically, even my phone has 256MB of RAM and a 16GB HDD - and that's 2 1/2 years old.

So yah, FFXI for iPhone plz!

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rofl they should support it at this point i agree.

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Originally Posted by Haldarn

Ironically, even my phone has 256MB of RAM and a 16GB HDD - and that's 2 1/2 years old.

So yah, FFXI for iPhone plz!

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16GB is just not enough storage. An android app would be great though. Cause lets face it. I've got 32GB and I can throw in a 32-64GB chip if I need to. :P

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Originally Posted by NightDagger

Your PC is using more then 32mb of Ram to play the game. So to blame everything on the 32 mb ram the PS2 has is nuts.

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Wrong it's not nuts. What the PS2 can do limits what the PC and 360 versions can handle due to the fact that they all have to play together which means that there are things that could be done on the PC and 360 versions that could not be accomplished due to PS2 compatibility issues.

Not adding places at all because PS2 players wouldn't be able to go there, is just wrong. Way more wrong. More people are effected, there's less of a reason for it, and everyone suffers rather than just some.

It'd be like saying "Ok class the field trip to China is cancelled because one of the student's parents religion is against us going there. So none of us are allowed to go"