Free to play plans?

While some people don't feel $12.95 is alot, i feel it's that the content released is not worth the cost. Before ya say it, i have shifted into paying for once every 2-4+ months for this game cause it's not worth it.

Example...

I spent about $13 on Steam and got Dead space 1 and 2 and Bioshock 1 and 2 (steam sale \o/)

When i spent $39~ on FFXI i got meeble burrow (which i was only allowed to play for 10 mins a day) and redone Limbus/odin.

Really as value for you money goes FFXI atm is terrible it may be better when we get SoA but ofc you'll be paying +$30-40 as well.

That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

The biggest thing with me is that it feel that SE knows it's puts small amount of content and slap in a ton of time sinks which kinda ruins the fun (at least in my opinion) which i wish it didn't cause i'd love to spend a month w/ Meebles and be at the stage were i can just be social and help others out with things like nyzle but it just feels i'm stuck in time sink after time sink.

As for f2p, i really think SE need to listen to the commuity before they changed anything that major cause they'd prolly just hit us with more time sinks which you could skip for cash /shrug

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Well considering I run the finance department for a national company, I actually know what I am doing.

Archon.

seriously, what wrong with you? It doesn't matter if the article is from 2010, he wanted to know which mmos made more money going ftp.

Google if you want. Look up D&D and LOTR, find out I am right, and shut your mouth.

why is it so hard for people to believe a ftp model can make money, and more money than a sub plan. You think these people making the decisions don't know what they are doing? They make 7 figure salaries and did a ton of research on comparing the two different models. You think they sat down and said, hey, I don't feel like making money anymore, lets be kind and go ftp. But I guess some people here seem to think they obviously know more than those people, and have no education or experience to back it up. I make comments, because, I have 25 years of experience in business.

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lol funny shit....LMAO...please.....keep on going

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

While some people don't feel $12.95 is alot, i feel it's that the content released is not worth the cost. Before ya say it, i have shifted into paying for once every 2-4+ months for this game cause it's not worth it.

Example...

I spent about $13 on Steam and got Dead space 1 and 2 and Bioshock 1 and 2 (steam sale \o/)

When i spent $39~ on FFXI i got meeble burrow (which i was only allowed to play for 10 mins a day) and redone Limbus/odin.

Really as value for you money goes FFXI atm is terrible it may be better when we get SoA but ofc you'll be paying +$30-40 as well.

That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

The biggest thing with me is that it feel that SE knows it's puts small amount of content and slap in a ton of time sinks which kinda ruins the fun (at least in my opinion) which i wish it didn't cause i'd love to spend a month w/ Meebles and be at the stage were i can just be social and help others out with things like nyzle but it just feels i'm stuck in time sink after time sink.

As for f2p, i really think SE need to listen to the commuity before they changed anything that major cause they'd prolly just hit us with more time sinks which you could skip for cash /shrug

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Really? then why are you paying and playing? do yourself a favor and just cancel and never look back because you're too cheap to pay...good riddance....

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

Really? then why are you paying and playing? do yourself a favor and just cancel and never look back because you're too cheap to pay...good riddance....

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Biz i feel ya need a little <3, getting angry cause someone has an opinion /cuddle :)

Like i said, i pay on average once every three month to try new content, do some dyna and catch up with some friends.

The only reason i don't pay it every month (cause i used to even if i didn't play) is because i feel that the dev team is just ignoring alot of the player base atm.

Unless you calling me cheap for not paying for a game i don't play? then /shrug

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

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30 hours to make the fee worthwhile? You pay more partaking of one evening in a movie theater, which comes out to 2 hours of entertainment if you're lucky. A night at the club or a pub is way more expensive. 4 cups of Starbucks coffee costs nearly the same amount as a month's sub to ffxi. A sub to most MMOs is a better deal than anything else you're going to pay for a month's entertainment. For value, only Netflix even comes remotely close.

God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Well considering I run the finance department for a national company, I actually know what I am doing.

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I'm reasonably certain you can't run a bath.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Archon.

seriously, what wrong with you? It doesn't matter if the article is from 2010, he wanted to know which mmos made more money going ftp.

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It does matter. It's a huge difference if a three year old released MMORPG goes free to play like LotR or if it's a ten year old one like this, and I explained the difference before. It also matters when the playerbase for the one is restricted to the game only, whereas the playerbase for the other is essentially the fan base of a book that's been massively popular for decades. Many LotR fans may not be interested in a game at all, but when they hear it's free to play, they figure it can't hurt. That's not the case for FFXI. FFXI caters to gamers, and if gamers wanted to play it, they already would have, even more so because there's hardly any new FF fans coming in due to the series' latest games being subpar.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Google if you want. Look up D&D and LOTR, find out I am right, and shut your mouth.

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I did, I found nothing for D&D and I found only the one article for LotRO that you posted as well, and guess what, that article disagrees with you. You said their profits tripled, when the article said it doubled, which only supports my argument that you like to exaggerate your statements. No one is denying that they can be profitable, the question you refuse to ask yourself is whether that applies to FFXI as well:

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Originally Posted by xbobx

why is it so hard for people to believe a ftp model can make money, and more money than a sub plan.

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They can, no one is arguing that. But what works for one game may not work for another, and I've given you a list of reasons why. If you wanna keep arguing your point, attack my arguments, don't just point at LotRO and say "it worked for them". Because if you do, I'll do this: "Subscription fees work for WoW a lot better than free to play works for LotRO, so shut up."

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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No need, you already did it for me:

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

A sub to most MMOs is a better deal than anything else you're going to pay for a month's entertainment.

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Money is better spent on most MMOGs than on FFXI. Simple as that.

No one is arguing whether 13 bucks is a lot or not. People are arguing that 13 bucks is a lot compared to the alternatives we're given in today's market. This is not my personal opinion, this is from a strictly business perspective (personally I currently pay about 75 bucks monthly on FFXI related things, two own accounts, an account of a friend who otherwise also wouldn't be playing anymore and a server strictly for FFXI related things).

You people can say "quit if you don't wanna pay" all you like, but what you're too dumb to realize is that people are quitting because they don't wanna pay. And, in case you missed that part, that is not a good thing. I know many people who either quit completely or only resubscribe for a couple of months every now and then, because they don't feel their money is well enough spent. Now you can pat yourselves on the back and say "all is well then!" but that's a load of crap, because that's the reason why the playerbase is declining and why everyone is screaming and crying about the game dying.

It can be a smart business move to reduce the cost. Everyone who has ever tried to sell anything to anyone will confirm that. Just because you don't feel that it applies to you, others may feel differently, and I can confirm that they do. Reducing cost by a certain amount may make people resubscribe again.

Alternatively, offer deals like other MMOGs do, with reduced cost for longer subscription periods. SE are so rigid, both in their game design philosophy as well as in their business model that they essentially haven't budged an inch since 2002. And then they're surprised when things don't work out anymore. Not only the market but MMOGs in general have changed a lot, and you have to keep up if you wanna stay competitive. Since SE can't compete content-wise, the smart move would be to compete financially.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

Biz i feel ya need a little <3, getting angry cause someone has an opinion /cuddle :)

Like i said, i pay on average once every three month to try new content, do some dyna and catch up with some friends.

The only reason i don't pay it every month (cause i used to even if i didn't play) is because i feel that the dev team is just ignoring alot of the player base atm.

Unless you calling me cheap for not paying for a game i don't play? then /shrug

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You can honestly say that you have done everything there is to this game? If i list out all the things you can do in this game, you probably didn't even realized that the content even existed. And yes, you are cheap for complaining about 12.95 a month. I pay that for one dinner meal and all i get is a full stomach for a few hours. Value for your money is hell of well spent.

Nothing is wrong with having an opinion but when that opinion have no substance it's just comes out whinny and that's exactly what you're doing and that's why i'm calling you out.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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So if i don't play FFXI all month buying anything else is stupid. o...k... i'm stupid.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Money is better spent on most MMOGs than on FFXI. Simple as that.

No one is arguing whether 13 bucks is a lot or not. People are arguing that 13 bucks is a lot compared to the alternatives we're given in today's market. This is not my personal opinion, this is from a strictly business perspective (personally I currently pay about 75 bucks monthly on FFXI related things, two own accounts, an account of a friend who otherwise also wouldn't be playing anymore and a server strictly for FFXI related things).

You people can say "quit if you don't wanna pay" all you like, but what you're too dumb to realize is that people are quitting because they don't wanna pay. And, in case you missed that part, that is not a good thing. I know many people who either quit completely or only resubscribe for a couple of months every now and then, because they don't feel their money is well enough spent. Now you can pat yourselves on the back and say "all is well then!" but that's a load of crap, because that's the reason why the playerbase is declining and why everyone is screaming and crying about the game dying.

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Dude it's still your personal opinion, how can you say that's a fact? I can say ffxi is worth more then what they charge, it doesnt make it a fact. It's just my opinion and what you're saying sir is still your opinion. I'll ask again, if you don't feel like it's worth that much, then why are you paying? You can make up any excuse you want, you're still paying so that means it's worthed because if it wasn't you wouldnt pay and that's a fact.

And right!!, you know more about business then a multi million dollar business. Come on man!!! Do you think they're too dumb to have not analyzed every single option to make more money? They're not a multi billion dollar company for nothing yo. Like you told the other guy "I'm reasonably certain you can't run a bath with your backseat CEO self :)

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

So if i don't play FFXI all month buying anything else is stupid. o...k... i'm stupid.

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Complaining about paying 12.95 for a month of entertain is stupid.