New Jobs - Will you aby burn or no?

To the ground.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I would compare it more to buying a lobster dish. Sure, you can eat the shell of a lobster if you feel it's an achievement, but it's tedious and tastes bad, and the only purpose of it is to get to the actual meat. And it won't make the meat itself any more enjoyable, nor will it make you more proficient at eating it. It's just part of the meal that most of the population agrees is better off untasted. Being part of the meal that's being served does not equal being part of the meal that's worth eating.

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You are right about the bold part with lobster, but not necessarily for job burning. The prime example I think is BST. Most people levelling BST for dynamis haven't charmed a mob since level 10 when they entered gusgen mines. I think (and hope) that the new expansion has new mobs that are charmable and are far superior pets to the current jugs. If this is the case, the 'old school' BSTs will thrive (once they find all their charm gear again) while the rest of us (I burned it too, just for maat's cap) won't have a clue what the deal is.
My other example of a horrid job to burn is BLU. You can't pre-level blue magic, so you have to skill it up afterwards, and you can't learn spells until your skill is high enough, so you find yourself spamming head butt and bludgeon to try and skill up so you can go and hunt the spells. Personally, I'm levelling it while learning the spells.
It isn't all bad for many jobs though. If you have THF or RNG levelled, COR is easy to leech, then learn after with your already-capped marksmanship.
Any job that you can skill up the weapons on WAR first is easy to leech.
SCH is easy to leech since light/dark arts will give you reasonably high skill regardless what your original skill was, and once you cap SCH skills, rdm blm whm are easy to leech. etc.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

Now that I think of it, will RMT's thrive once this comes out? Who else is going to run an abyssea xp party, allowing 15 leechers.

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Anyone wanting the gil to make a relic/empy/mythic?

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Originally Posted by MiniDiamond

No. never. Im leveling them Old SchoolStyle! :Di wanna be surprised when i hit and 10 and get a job ablitity that is a Buff or a new weapon skill! <3 me and my friends arent Burning. we want to experiences teh newbness all over again<3

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i would love to do this... if only there were enough willing people to make oldschool 6-man pts anymore. with auto-repeat option from pages, it still would be a lot faster xp than it used to be, but you'd get skills and it would actually be kinda fun c.c; i totally know what you mean about it being exciting to get new abilities, etc. that way. some of the stuff you get 75~99, i forget i have, because i never really had to anticipate a new lvl in abyssea to even bother checking for new stuff.

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Originally Posted by DarkBass

Why campaign? I can just burn it to 99 after 65. With leveling it the regular way just to enjoy the experience of old school leveling, and having leveled other jobs similar to it, im not really missing out on anything but getting it to 99 quicker at that point.

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I was just being facetious really

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Originally Posted by Eri

If i decide to lvl them.
I will not enter Abyssea until i can be useful for the group. I'd rather solo to 75 then being useless.
Period.

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Ditto. I've done that personally, solo to 72-75 before entering abyssea with just about every job I currently have leveled. The exceptions being THF(solo til 46) and RDM(solo to 55). Neither of those jobs I felt important enough to "skill" or "learn" to play as, DNC was already completed and THF was for personal use, and for RDM...well, WHM and BLM were already capped in level and magics, enfeebling and enhancing not too hard to finish out for RDM at that point.

I do realize that the majority WILL indeed leech the new jobs up, and in the end be as useless as just about EVERY ninja in Void Watch that cries and runs away when the thief comes up behind them. Or as useless as the innumerable WHMs that can't push out a Cure 5 greater than 750, or the BLM at 99 that couldn't land a sleep on a goblin thug if their very internet existence depended on it. Leech away.

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Originally Posted by Jingizu

Ditto. I've done that personally, solo to 72-75 before entering abyssea with just about every job I currently have leveled. The exceptions being THF(solo til 46) and RDM(solo to 55). Neither of those jobs I felt important enough to "skill" or "learn" to play as, DNC was already completed and THF was for personal use, and for RDM...well, WHM and BLM were already capped in level and magics, enfeebling and enhancing not too hard to finish out for RDM at that point.

I do realize that the majority WILL indeed leech the new jobs up, and in the end be as useless as just about EVERY ninja in Void Watch that cries and runs away when the thief comes up behind them. Or as useless as the innumerable WHMs that can't push out a Cure 5 greater than 750, or the BLM at 99 that couldn't land a sleep on a goblin thug if their very internet existence depended on it. Leech away.

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omg, i forgot that you are the best player in the game.
/blow

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Originally Posted by Jingizu

I do realize that the majority WILL indeed leech the new jobs up, and in the end be as useless as just about EVERY ninja in Void Watch that cries and runs away when the thief comes up behind them. Or as useless as the innumerable WHMs that can't push out a Cure 5 greater than 750, or the BLM at 99 that couldn't land a sleep on a goblin thug if their very internet existence depended on it. Leech away.

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I didn't realize that beating Robber Crabs for half an eternity somehow gave you cure potency or enfeebling magic gear. They never did for me, anyway.

I'll rather play with people who got 99 quickly and spend their time gearing/skilling their character than people who think they know how to play because they've killed more trash mobs than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I didn't realize that beating Robber Crabs for half an eternity somehow gave you cure potency or enfeebling magic gear. They never did for me, anyway.

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It certainly doesn't give you that kind of Bonus, its giving you Skillups thu...
an Player Skill. Opening chest gives you Skillups now? YAY

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I'll rather play with people who got 99 quickly and spend their time gearing/skilling their character than people who think they know how to play because they've killed more trash mobs than anyone else.

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Lol they can have all the Gear in the world, they dont play nearly as good as someone that lvled the Job in a real pt.(Must not be true, some ppl just play bad XD)
Massmurdering DC Mobs is about it. (Funny thing is they dont get better)

I don't blame them thu. Exping solo teaches you .... soloing. No one Highlevel would considder using Levelsync to Skill up.(Given Level sync is a failing System considdering gear).
You either have friends that want to exp with you on a low Level or you don't.
Then again the exp from books is pretty nice, even that is better than a chest leech in my opinion.

But acutally what about killing mobs that can actually punch back?

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Originally Posted by Eri

It certainly doesn't give you that kind of Bonus, its giving you Skillups thu...
an Player Skill. Opening chest gives you Skillups now? YAY

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Opening chests gets you to 99 faster so you have more time to use on skilling up, so in a way, yes. I level to 99 in less than a day and then spend a few hours skilling (unless it turns out to be as annoying as summoning skill, but I guarantee you that won't skill any faster in a real EXP party either). You, on the other hand, waste weeks of playtime just to get to 99 a different way, and you still won't be capped and will have to skill seperately (or take breaks from leveling to skill up in between).

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Originally Posted by Eri

Lol they can have all the Gear in the world, they dont play nearly as good as someone that lvled the Job in a real pt.(Must not be true, some ppl just play bad XD)

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It's definitely not true. Playing in a "real" party, as you so casually call it, teaches you nothing relevant to endgame at all. Good players will be good, regardless of they get to 99. Bad players will be bad, regardless of how they get to 99.

I've leveled plenty of jobs in slow EXP parties, my first being PLD. You know what those wasted months taught me? "Provoke on timer and WS when/if you have TP."

My question to you, do you consider that a relevant skill? And if so, why do you think it would take me months to learn it?

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Originally Posted by Eri

But acutally what about killing mobs that can actually punch back?

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Why would you fight difficult mobs to EXP on? EXP mobs have always been chosen so they pose little threat to the party. You apparently don't think so. So let me ask you another question: if you think EXP mobs should be challenging to get real experience on, why wouldn't you leech to 99 and get real experience on endgame events in the same time? Why do you want to get that experience at lower levels instead of higher levels? Do you think your brain learns these things faster while your character is still low?

You seem to think that real experience is worth more than experience points for your character, and I agree. Yet you seem to think that they're related. Why? Your character level is just a number. And real experience you'll always get easier and better during real endgame events rather than on challenging EXP mobs, whatever those may be.

I leveled White Mage the old school way... Then I burned it to 99 on my mule. When I play my mule do I have to suck because I burned it? lol