Dancer tank gear? Help Me Out!

lol ok.. I thought he meant solo... that's why I asked...

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Originally Posted by Frost

What? Can you spell that out for me?

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T h o u g h
D a n c e r
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w i t h o u t
h a s t e
s a m b a
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Not without buffs from others naturally, this applies with the vast majority of other jobs. This is primarily the reason dancers are no longer visited as a party member as they once were. We don't actually make anyone hit any faster with marches and haste in effect. No longer a difference maker. If you lack haste or march or both, Haste samba regains its value.

Let me break it down for you:

Haste gained from Equipment (including Catastrophe) caps at 25%. Haste gained from magical effects (spells/songs) caps at ~43.75%. Haste gained from Job Abilities officially caps at 25%. (Job Ability Haste does not affect spell recast timers.) Recast time reduction is capped at 50%, regardless of how much Haste the character currently has. Haste caps out at ~80%, combined from all sources.

Haste =15%
Gear haste =25%
Dual marches = 40%

hope none of you failed at math because the cap is 80% and thats right on the money.

In case no one knows, Haste Samba falls under the job ability category along with JA's like Hasso

I hope i spelled that out good enough for you

(DW not included)

Edit: oh someone half beat me to it =/ afk

Regardless of what conditions you're using, your numbers are outdated or you're doing your math wrong.

With 600 skill and +2 March, Victory March gives 12.5% Haste and Advancing March gives 9% Haste. Both fall under the magic Haste cap. There is now another march+2 available (G-horn and AF3+2 hands).

Delay reduction caps at 80%, which includes Dual Wield and is the only reason your statement is true. Read my post above and see if you can get a feel for how to calculate it properly.

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Originally Posted by Kaeoni

You make it sound like you want to stack more atk dex and chr on your steps. Steps don't do any damage. I'm confused, could you clarify?

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No, they don't directly, however I still utilize Box Step and Feather Step is nice too.

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Originally Posted by Rieul

No, they don't directly, however I still utilize Box Step and Feather Step is nice too.

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Speaking of steps. What's with this step cap bull? Why did they have to make it that if I use a step that is already reached 5, it only grants 1 finishing move instead of 2?

Not sure why you would want to use DW over Haste Samba. If you're lucky enough to be receiving BRD buffs, I'd rather fit in that 10% haste samba then use 10% DW gear. Unlike DW, haste does not lower your tp gained per hit making it much more beneficial than DW. And chances are, if you're using a BRD, you most likely have another or few more DDs on the mob so your Haste Samba will be benefiting them as well.

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Originally Posted by Kaeoni

Haste =15%
Gear haste =25%
Dual marches = 40%

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Where are you pulling this extra 15% out off?
I hope you know Haste (spell) and March (spell) are both counted as magic haste, so with both you'd hit 38.5% haste, (43.75% if you SV).

You aren't capping -Delay Reduction without a lot of DW gear on (assuming No haste Samba like you said).

And I don't understand your reasoning, DNCs still make the vast majority of DDs hit faster. If you're in a party with other DDs being expected to give Haste Samba, you're contributing greatly. Must I find the haste thread? going from 63% haste to 73% is a pretty big deal. And if you happen to have 1 handers you're giving HS too, tell them to take off some of their DW gear to compensate. Haste>DW.

No one should be capping JA haste by themselves anyways, unless they are a DRK and only for 30 seconds out of 4 minutesish.

Any other dancers out there using dual - PDT daggers along with other - PDT gear and fan dance? As has been talked about alot in this thread, you can only evade so much depending on what you fight.

meh hate u so much right now <.< idk why but i never thought about pdt daggers.. tho it could be a really sweet thing.. the trials dont look that bad either..
meh i need to stop collect daggers ~.~

maybe its just me but i really dont see dancer eva to be that good ._. if i dont take any eva atmas, i cant just tank things in full haste like i do it on thf >: for most stuff i need to bring my eva gear.. or at least dual eva daggers to be ~ok

THF naturally has 20 higher Evasion skill then DNC does (THF 361 vs DNC 341). It's a huge difference. They can hit the evasion cap with a lot less gear.

@Rieul I don't understand why you would choose to use Drain Samba or God forbid, Aspir Samba over Haste Samba, yes, Drain Samba has it's utility but if I'm in a party with other people, nobody wants Drain Samba. The only reason I use Drain Samba is either by accident or when I'm killing really weak stuff so I don't waste my TP on Waltzing myself and save TP for WSs. Or if Saber Dance is up and I don't want to click it off to Waltz myself.

In no way is Haste Samba merits a waste. Step Accuracy is. If you miss Steps, add more ACC to your macro. It's as simple as that.