Beastmaster's MOST pressing matter

I like charm w/ all the mechanics exactly as it is. I like the charm success rate. I loved bst because It could go so awesomely to take down BIG nm's and control a crowd swapping pets in and out. It was thrilling.

Charm has the built in balance that if charm fails.. the mob you tried to charm, eats your face. And charm will wear off....
That is all the balance Charm has ever needed.

the limitations have all been in the mobs added to the game ever since. Can't charm anything worthwhile... It took away a very very fun dynamic. That's the whole of it. very simple.

Because when I think of what could make FFXI better, adding a bunch of world spawn NMs to the 3 or 4 areas with potential pets strong enough to be useful is definitely top on the list. Dragon's Aery #1!

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Originally Posted by scaevola

So, the two things I said about BST that were actual relevant statements and not me saying "no I did not spend my valuable time playing a job that did not interest me and here is why", putting Charm in endgame would be too strong and jugs are too expensive, werecorrect? Great!

I think BST is awesome, just wasn't my thing. Where are you getting that I thought it sucked? Because I realized I wouldn't be able to charm stuff in Salvage? You can't whine about old LS leaders underestimating the potential of Charm when there was pretty much no event other than kings or maybe sky farming (outside?) where you could actually use it.

(ps you say it would be faster to say what i got right than what i got wrong, then spent five times as much text saying what I got right than what I got wrong. you're adorable.)

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-Yup

-and I'm getting it from you saying bst was a pointless job. It wasn't pointless and if you knew what you were doing bst was very valuable in those endgame events even without charm (and still is today.)


- I didn't go into detail about the "wrong" parts, i just summed them up. If i had gone into detail it would of been more text than the "right" section. But I like to think I am still adorable.

Am I not allowed to like BST while still holding the opinion that being forced to rely on at-the-time pretty weak jug pets for the vast majority of stuff I'd ever do more than once made it pretty useless?

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Originally Posted by scaevola

I'm sorry but I have a seriously difficult time going along with a suggestion that amounts to "go back to this other way of functioning about which players complained constantly at the time and seriously limited the viability of the job at 75, because it will recapture the spirit of the job and by the way this totally has nothing to do with the fact that such a change would, in the current state of things, literally double the survivability of what is already one of the most durable jobs in the game".

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Look, just because you did not like the way the job functioned back then and never came to a complete understanding of the job does not in anyway, shape or form mean that it should not go back to that way. I for one would love to have my jobs main ability back and in the spot light no matter how "durable" you may think we are. No other job has had its main ability raped and pillaged quite like bst has. Before all these new jugs I did not have to carry around millions of dollars worth of supplies (that may last me a month) cramping up my inventory. Its not about the money I farm and make all my own supplies so don't bring that up. We were just as formidable in endgame situations before as we are now but its the close mindedness and lack of understanding that gets us labeled otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Visari

I for one would love to have my jobs main ability back and in the spot light...

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Explain to all of us why charm is bst's main ability?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Explain to all of us why charm is bst's main ability?

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Please be fair, you're the only one who needs it explained to. Most of us know better.

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Originally Posted by Calamity

Please be fair, you're the only one who needs it explained to. Most of us know better.

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There's been plenty of other people who refute the near outlandish claims of this thread's OP. I am quite serious. Why is charm bst's main ability over something else?

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Originally Posted by Visari

We were just as formidable in endgame situations before as we are now but its the close mindedness and lack of understanding that gets us labeled otherwise.

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Oh, then I must be mistaken, and BST could charm stuff in Assaults, Limbus, Dynamis, KSNMs, sea, meaningful areas in sky, and so forth*, and did not have to rely on relatively weak jug pets. Also, I must have dreamed the hundreds of threads on literally every FFXI site out there started by BSTs complaining about how bad BST was in endgame events. Thanks for clearing that up!




*If you need me to explain to you why being able to charm stuff in, say, Limbus floors with 8 mobs would have been a bad thing, I'm going to be pretty much at a loss for words

Its the ability we get at level 1?
Its the ability that our job was pretty much based around? (Charming monsters and using them to help us?)

Also, stop kidding your self. Charm isnt any more broken at lv 99 than it was at level 10.
so monsters have more hp? They also hit harder as well. so I cant see how thats really a big deal?

Call Beast is way more broken now than Charm ever was. At least charm tied us down to mob levels
of the current zone we are in. Now? we can call a lv 93-95 jugpet into any area of the game.
I doubt many jobs can utterly rape every piece of old content in the game as effortlessly as BST can.

IMO BST needs both Charm and Call beast to be effective.