Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

You seem to be unaware of this so let me spell it out for you, all those people with the awesome gear either cheat, or play with a bunch of people who cheat and profit from it. Quit deluding yourself and thinking the 1% of people with everything who don't cheat are the norm..

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Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Really its not about being hard since it was never hard to make a relic, time consuming yes. If we had the system we have now for relic they would be more common. Correct me if i'm wrong but the relic data was only for the cenus was one month.

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Protip: Nothing in this game is hard if you aren't terrible at it. It's all time sinks. Getting an empyrean is easier than most regular magian trials because magian trials are more of a time sink.

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I personally don't like the idea of very old content weapons being the best for years and years. I prefer something new and powerful enough to make it a most wanted item. Just like armors, most of the old content armory is gimp compared to now. Thats just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

No one who couldn't make a relic before the dyna update is going to have it finished by now most likely. It's still a ton of work.

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Not really only getting 100 coins a day buying or soloing would take you 170 days to finish that part. Now if you can solo 100 coins and buy one 100 piece which runs around 1.2 to 1.5 on my server you can cut that in half. With gil raining from the sky if you go out and farm it as your prime target you would have little trouble getting enough to buy one 100 piece a day. Since all you have to do to get a 100 singles is go to the north lands which are the easiest to get 4/5, 5/5 TEs decent solo class can proc on the JA mobs. Doing that we are now down to 85 days to finish.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?



Protip: Nothing in this game is hard if you aren't terrible at it. It's all time sinks. Getting an empyrean is easier than most regular magian trials because magian trials are more of a time sink.

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The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

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Proved what exactly?

Given the chance anyone will try to cheat the system. You can not say that if the cheat was more widely known that every endgame LS that did salvge wouldn't have used it.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Proved what exactly?

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I believe he/she meant to prove that players didn't need any skill to get anything accomplished back then, only cheating/taking advantage of bugs/packet injection bots/telehacking/fleehackers. These players/groups have/had quite an advantage over the community that do not use them.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?

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My original response to you got removed, so lets try this again.

If you're going to come on here and subtly call me a noob with bad gear, you're incorrect. When I say they cheat, I'm speaking from experience. Having played this game since forever and being one of the original NA people doing endgame activities and continuing to do that stuff up until now, I assure you pretty much all very good endgame LS cheated, especially right before abyssea was introduced. I dunno how it was for you, but I assume it was the same as every other server, with 1 or 2 LS's having very good bots and dominating kings and land HNMs, and no one else even bothering to compete with them. You can't even counter with 'people who did events that didnt require bots didnt cheat' because well.... salvage bans? Ya, even those people who only did those types of events cheated. And just for lulz, anyone remember how many relics were lost with salvage bans? wasn't it like 500 perma banned and another 500 or so temp banned? Cause you know, people with relics dont cheat.

So anyway, since I know you think Im some terrible player with poor gear, here's a link to my guildwork to show otherwise.
http://guildwork.com/ffxi/odin/kaerin#/loot
Here's my followcatwhm:
http://guildwork.com/ffxi/odin/kiraen

Why dont you post yours and we'll compare.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

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Wait, just because they got banned didn't put them in the elite. Just those who like to use a method outside of norm for their own personal gain and exploit it.