New weapons with higher base damage then relics

Really... I don't know what's in their heads.
You don't introduce such a big change in game (new weapons etc) without having a CLEAR PATH in your mind.
They acted in a superficial way, ignoring possible consequences, with an attitude that made them think "we'll think about solutions later, but only if people whine! If they don't we'll have it easy guys"

What is this, exactely? They're digging themselves a hole deeper and deeper and deeper with each new post over the last weeks, this is... unbelievable really.

I'm gonna post this here as the original thread is probably doomed to deletion:

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Originally Posted by Mara

Okay, guys, do you happen to realize how many people in your game have spent months to freaking YEARS to obtain relics, mythics, empyreans? Yeah... A LOT OF US!!!

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They know exactly how many people have them. Just refer to the Census.

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Do you realize how much work it is to obtain these things? You must, you made them, after all. So, let me spell this out for you, since you're so fucking retarded that you obviously never realized it.

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Matsui doesn't know because he's never tried to do it himself. If you've never built one or been part of the process then you don't know how painful it can be. They can't comprehend the emotional attachment. It's all just numbers on a screen. Heck, when you look at the process as a table on a web page it looks misleadingly easy. Then when you actually start to do it the reality of it hits you in the face. I don't know about other dev team members, but Matsui hasn't experienced that. It's no wonder he didn't fully understand what he was doing when he proposed or approved this.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Matsui doesn't know because he's never tried to do it himself. If you've never built one or been part of the process then you don't know how painful it can be. They can't comprehend the emotional attachment. It's all just numbers on a screen. Heck, when you look at the process as a table on a web page it looks misleadingly easy. Then when you actually start to do it the reality of it hits you in the face. I don't know about other dev team members, but Matsui hasn't experienced that. It's no wonder he didn't fully understand what he was doing when he proposed or approved this.

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So very true. When originally looking at making a Mythic I thought it would take maybe a month at most, it was nothing, now... god... He came into the job saying he had not even beaten Maat yet, that set him up for so much... I am not sure how to put it, it was disappointing for me to see that the man in charge of the game is a man who has yet to pass level 70. The fact that he is messing with weapons far above a caliber than he has ever personally achieved is bad, and the fact he is doing it as much as he is, is terrible. I really wonder why this jump in DMG was ever allowed, or what sparked this idea in his mind. Nothing in the entire game will ever be the same if this goes through to the end because everything which was hard will become a ton easier, everything easy will become trash, everything worth getting will become a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Mandalic Stab is pretty nice SA'd, TA'd, or SATA'd. Other than that... Nope.

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Mandalic Stab is still kinda terrible... Then again I have a 99 Mandau so Mercy spoiled me :\

But without a 99 Mythic dagger, I think you'd get better numbers from SA-Exent or TA-Exent... M.Stab is just really bad. Its essentially a 1-hit Shark bite with a ~1.60x Attack Mod, Which makes it great if the enemy has super DEF/EVA and you dont have Mercy (which is more often since 90% of content you'd be good on DEF/EVA was obsoleted Monday).

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Mandalic Stab is still kinda terrible... Then again I have a 99 Mandau so Mercy spoiled me :\

But without a 99 Mythic dagger, I think you'd get better numbers from SA-Exent or TA-Exent... M.Stab is just really bad. Its essentially a 1-hit Shark bite with a ~1.60x Attack Mod, Which makes it great if the enemy has super DEF/EVA and you dont have Mercy (which is more often since 90% of content you'd be good on DEF/EVA was obsoleted Monday).

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I don't have Extent, THF isn't my main, might get it later on, now that they changed the WS mods about.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Mandalic Stab is still kinda terrible... Then again I have a 99 Mandau so Mercy spoiled me :\

But without a 99 Mythic dagger, I think you'd get better numbers from SA-Exent or TA-Exent... M.Stab is just really bad. Its essentially a 1-hit Shark bite with a ~1.60x Attack Mod, Which makes it great if the enemy has super DEF/EVA and you dont have Mercy (which is more often since 90% of content you'd be good on DEF/EVA was obsoleted Monday).

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On these new NMs, I have a hard time seeing THF being able to get enough Accuracy or Attack for Exenterator or Evisceration to outperform SA/TA Mandalic Stab with these new daggers.

But THF got royally boned in general this update. Our only real worthwhile endgame WS are were stacked RME WS. To use those, we'd have to use inferior weapons.

...and even using one of those super Delve daggers, THF (and one handers in general) just took an even bigger jump to the back of the DD line behind any 2 hander that doesn't have choose between dual wielding a drastically weaker weapon in their offhand or single wielding for better DPS.

Didn't they say they were trying to help out one handers? Because this update is one of the biggest setbacks we've had in a long time.

Honestly, If not for a 99 Mandau, I'd be giving some thought to just using a Dagger/Shield until i can get two DMG~90+ Daggers >_>.

Still, IDK what I'm going to do with my Mandau when I get one of these DMG:90 daggers... Offhand it, /shield? I JUST DONT KNOW.

And yah, After experiencing Delve NMs, I'd have to say SA/TA MAND.STAB is probably tops. All REM WS work, but if you dont have a REM, Mand stab works... I SUPPOSE.

Can anyone link me to the JP thread where people are flipping their lids over all of this?

Gonna go "thumbs up" posts over there since doing it in the EN forums isnt gonna do much.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

Didn't they say they were trying to help out one handers? Because this update is one of the biggest setbacks we've had in a long time.

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Yeah, what's the deal with this? Did their changes to attack, defense, or whatever really do anything to improve 1-hander dmg? Maybe I don't completely understand what they were trying to do, but I'm certainly not seeing any great increases in dmg. Am I doing something horribly wrong? Did I miss something here?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Yeah, what's the deal with this? Did their changes to attack, defense, or whatever really do anything to improve 1-hander dmg? Maybe I don't completely understand what they were trying to do, but I'm certainly not seeing any great increases in dmg. Am I doing something horribly wrong? Did I miss something here?

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All they did is make it so that your ratio capped at 2.25 like 2handers. Nothing more, nothing less.