Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

More like the man already does.

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Personally, all I can image is a darkened room with a bunch of GMs sitting around at desks, shaking the heads (or perhaps beating them against the desk) all wishing that the game could be back online to get all these crazies off the forums.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Personally, all I can image is a darkened room with a bunch of GMs sitting around at desks, shaking the heads (or perhaps beating them against the desk) all wishing that the game could be back online to get all these crazies off the forums.

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That's basically every customer service department in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

spend hours farming ALL your blu spells up to your current level then we'll talk "knowing the job" i don't doubt you can handle yourself but if you didn't farm all your blu spells then you're gimped. my blue may be level 51 atm but i have ALL spells up to my current level learned. i don't miss a single one..didn't on my last character and won't on this one:)

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Find me a use for Body Slam, Spinal Cleave, Tail Slap, Hysteric Barrage, Sandspray and Asuran Claws and I'll accelerate my schedule. I'm also missing Sub-Zero Smash which could actually have some use so I should get that one.

Right now, my current priority as far as BLU is concerned is to finish my 85Almace - nothing I can do can compare with the difference in damage that will provide. After that I'll be going and finishing off my spell list, but I think you can hardly call me gimped for missing 7 spells, 6 of which are dubious at 90 cap.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Find me a use for Body Slam, Spinal Cleave, Tail Slap, Hysteric Barrage, Sandspray and Asuran Claws and I'll accelerate my schedule. I'm also missing Sub-Zero Smash which could actually have some use so I should get that one.

Right now, my current priority as far as BLU is concerned is to finish my 85Almace - nothing I can do can compare with the difference in damage that will provide. After that I'll be going and finishing off my spell list, but I think you can hardly call me gimped for missing 7 spells, 6 of which are dubious at 90 cap.

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Why would you not want to slap things with your tail?

Fake cat etc :( no tail to slap with!

Tail Slap may have some use after I get CdC in a more melee-orientated build because you can form the Store TP trait with it, but until then I'm not so bothered.

I have one main question. Who do level 90 leechers hurt?

It seems they mainly hurt pick up parties and groups that try to throw together random gear/NM parties. It shouldn't hurt LS recruitment since a good LS will usually have an application process and if you see someone with a 90 job, uncapped skills, misplaced merits, and restricted access you'll know where they came from. If they somehow make it past that then there's usually the trial period where you'll actually see how good they play. If someone leeches to 90 then just has fun soloing missions/quests/NMs/whatever and doesn't bother anyone else then why stop them?

I understand the argument that a leech is preventing vanilla type parties, but I think a majority of leechers are people who have many jobs and capped merits so they need another 75 to dump merits into. I do get annoyed when I see naked low levels just sitting around the page NPC while myself (also a low level) run around checking and opening chests), I just have to assume they're LS or friends of the party leader and were allowed to do that. Me being annoyed is no reason to raise the level cap. Honestly I think abyssea should reveal those people who really enjoy normal parties. Which should mean that when you find a full party of people who WANT to party the normal way, it should be an amazingly fun party to be in. But if you were to take abyssea away you might encounter that frustrating party that most are familiar with more often.

I recently started leveling my NIN again. Whenever I seek for party I seek for any type that will get me xp (level sync and abyssea). I got into a normal party a few days before the servers went down (a truly normal party also, no PL, and proper job set up (which i think is even more rare)) I got less xp/hour than soloing and died at least 5 times. (My skills are capped on NIN and have yet to take it to an abyssea party). Over the course of 3-4 hours, I started with 1k tnl and ended 1 level higher with 1k tnl. All deaths were not my parties fault. Some deaths were my fault, some were water elemental aggro (we were in crawler's nest), some were just getting beat down by exoray. It is discouraging, but I will continue to accept whatever type party I get invited to. But it also illustrates why people prefer abyssea leeching.

If you want a normal party, just shout in Port Jeuno. I've made parties above 30+ by just shouting and could get six members in less than 10 minutes. Don't make shit harder then it needs to be. If "not going into abyssea" makes you all such great players, you should have no problem managing only six people instead of eighteen and doing maybe three mobs per 10 minutes intead. If not, then you need to look up, YOUR jobs.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

not nearly high enough of one. if your below a certain level you still get old school exp..and to some leachers"that fine and dandy" when they get that amount of exp at the rate people get it in those areas. incurring a higher exp penalty with make them think twice before going in an leaching instead of seeking for a normal party.

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Tell me my dear minority is the concept of not doing something if you don't like it really that hard to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

Tell me my dear minority is the concept of not doing something if you don't like it really that hard to grasp.

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is the concept of NOT being a lazy player beyond your grasp?

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Originally Posted by Krystal

is the concept of NOT being a lazy player beyond your grasp?

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How hard is it to ignore something that doesn't inconvenience you in any unpreventable way.