The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

so tl;dr: you have absolutely no interest in this content and just want to spread crap in the thread for fun.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

The thing is there is a supply constantly in, every freakin 7 hours daily lol.

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Not if everyone just waits for them to pop on the AH so they can throw their gil at them. If no one farms, no one has them to sell, no one can buy them, supply is dead.

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And I wanna meet the guy that can kill lesser colibris in 1 swing too. Holy balls are any of you proper DDs? Can clear a zone of 20 mobs before any of them repop...

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Cool for you, you know the problem? Nearly every zone will have weather, which instantly kills your chances at a Flame Geode dropping because guess what? It changed to Breeze, or Soil, or Aqua. If you do it in Abyssea, again, it can drop -ites instead, oh look, guess no Geodes for you again.

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Same can be said about any zone with easy preys. Wajaom was an example.

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Again, most areas have weather, so be it an example or not, its the case almost everywhere in the game!

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Guys have fun dreaming for the stupidest things while the rest of us dream for things that actually matter and are actually an issue.

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Sorry I didn't know only what you have problems with were an issue. This is one, Fire weather is a problem in itself and always has been. I remember having to camp areas for a few days back when I had to unlock SMN, why? Because weather was never around, Fire was a pain to get, before it was only for that, so it wasn't such a bit problem. Now the problem is worth mentioning because geodes are effected and create some of the most powerful easily accessible weapons in the game. They are not R/M/E, they are more for people with short amounts of time, no endgame or Emp LS, or players who need it for offhand. But by screwing this up because STR weapons are actually good, is also screwing every other trial that needs them, including Staffs, which are a popular thing for mages. Fire is the 3rd best in damage for nuking staves, yet it is 30 times more expensive, and 100 times harder to farm, than an Ice staff, or Thunder staff! Please go troll somewhere else it isn't needed here, you disagree only to argue with people or because you rather watch people you think are "noobs" or not putting work in, suffer.

I love how he continually ignores my question about how changing this for the better would negatively impact him in any way.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

The thing is there is a supply constantly in, every freakin 7 hours daily lol.

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Then your server is different than the others. Yours must need maintenance or something.

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And I wanna meet the guy that can kill lesser colibris in 1 swing too.

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You're the one who said you could one-shot them. What do you think that means?

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Holy balls are any of you proper DDs? Can clear a zone of 20 mobs before any of them repop... Same can be said about any zone with easy preys. Wajaom was an example.

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You're just digging that hole deeper and deeper. Do you even play FFXI? We're not talking about WoW you know. You seem to be confusing the two.

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Guys have fun dreaming for the stupidest things while the rest of us dream for things that actually matter and are actually an issue.

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We're not dreaming. We're posting about what we see as an issue. Why don't you go post about the things that are problems for you or is that not as much fun as trolling?

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

The thing is there is a supply constantly in, every freakin 7 hours daily lol. And I wanna meet the guy that can kill lesser colibris in 1 swing too. Holy balls are any of you proper DDs? Can clear a zone of 20 mobs before any of them repop... Same can be said about any zone with easy preys. Wajaom was an example. Guys have fun dreaming for the stupidest things while the rest of us dream for things that actually matter and are actually an issue.

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OMG you're so awesome!!!

/sarcasm


Edit update:

On a more positive note, I finished my +str fire oxyranis (h2h) !!!! Only took like 280k stored cruor, and a dyna run, at least (I'd acquired like 15 geodes over the course of farming (I got lucky on some fire weather recently), and all the ifirites). That experience was worse than finishing old nyzul in today's anti-static climate (by that I mean how hard it is nowadays to get 6 people to be in a static with for old content).

Kinda feels like I finished a mini-relic -lol-

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

OMG you're so awesome!!!

/sarcasm


Edit update:

On a more positive note, I finished my +str fire oxyranis (h2h) !!!! Only took like 280k stored cruor, and a dyna run, at least (I'd acquired like 15 geodes over the course of farming (I got lucky on some fire weather recently), and all the ifirites). That experience was worse than finishing old nyzul in today's anti-static climate (by that I mean how hard it is nowadays to get 6 people to be in a static with for old content).

Kinda feels like I finished a mini-relic -lol-

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Congratulations on proving that it is easily doable. And for old content, you don't need 6 people. You just need 2-3 well geared players...

Good luck getting weather changed while it's still relevant lol. Just like how metals aren't in supply and we should be able to farm those fast too lol. Goooooooooooooood luck.

Thank you for wishing us good luck.

Now what I'm wondering is why you insist on comparing these to heavy metal plates, when one of the items is used to upgrade certain mid-tier weapons, while the other is used to upgrade the best weapons in the game. I don't think you ever actually supplied a good reason for this, but I'm a reasonable person so I'm giving you yet another chance.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Congratulations on proving that it is easily doable. And for old content, you don't need 6 people. You just need 2-3 well geared players...

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Easy for me since I have semi-decent ways of earning cash because I've played a while; not so easy for someone newer. And glhf on old nyzul with 2-3 people when you get order lamps; you'll get 5 floors for the tag only if you don't have more people.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Thank you for wishing us good luck.

Now what I'm wondering is why you insist on comparing these to heavy metal plates, when one of the items is used to upgrade certain mid-tier weapons, while the other is used to upgrade the best weapons in the game. I don't think you ever actually supplied a good reason for this, but I'm a reasonable person so I'm giving you yet another chance.

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Mocking Cammie, who in another thread was complaining plates were not readily available either. Seriously if ya all can manage to get the devs to change flame geodes in the next 6 months while it's relevant, bravo, otherwise good luck. I'm just expressing their view that it is not necessary to change this, and there are more important things on their agenda. Like you know that paladin and red mage thing that no one ever gets to use anymore, and how enmity is completely boned. They really don't care about people having to pay a few mile for a magian weapon with the economy in this game.

And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed. If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Mocking Cammie,

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Camiie. At least I'm worth mocking. I wouldn't even bother with mocking you.

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who in another thread was complaining plates were not readily available either.

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Compared to the number required, no they aren't.

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Seriously if ya all can manage to get the devs to change flame geodes in the next 6 months while it's relevant, bravo, otherwise good luck. I'm just expressing their view that it is not necessary to change this, and there are more important things on their agenda.

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That's what the community team is for. What you, and they, constantly fail to explain is why. What's your real angle on flame geodes? At least be honest and tell us how it hurts anything for there to be more fire weather.

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Like you know that paladin and red mage thing that no one ever gets to use anymore, and how enmity is completely boned.

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Fixing fire weather/flame geodes should not be so taxing that it stops them from fixing broken jobs.

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They really don't care about people having to pay a few mile for a magian weapon with the economy in this game.

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Then I guess we'll just keep complaining until they do. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant. You might as well get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed.

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And I'm not pissing in YOUR Cheerios, but here you are standing over mine with your fly open for no apparent reason.

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If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

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They don't have a problem with me. I kind of wonder what yours think of you when they see you trolling the forums. Maybe they enjoy it as much as you. Maybe they think you're a jerk. I can't really say.

If it's so taxing to make a fire trial weapon why don't you make a different type? Others have mentioned how you can farm the geodes if you're so set on finishing one. Even if you're only able to get 1 each firesday you farm, that's only 55 hours of work and it's scattered over a period of time. If you farm a mob that also drops gil or another sellable item, you're increasing your efficiency and expanding your options. It really should not be difficult to finish the trial if you put some effort into it.

If you're complaining about doing the geode trial multiple times, you'll get no sympathy from me.

The rep has already pretty much told you the fire weather won't be changed. The design of the expansion's zones are most likely complete by this point, so asking for extra fire weather is pointless (that's not to say they didn't already build some of those zones in already).

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased... Yeah, the only reason I can think of someone seriously asking that question would be if they joined after abyssea or if they somehow never looked at the market.

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

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Originally Posted by Aarahs

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased..

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They should increase fire weather to a level in line with the other elements, and leave the drop rate as is. The market is a concern, but it should be secondary to people trying to complete content.

It's not like crafters won't still be able to charge an arm and a leg for gems and rings. Heck the demand for flame geodes could actually increase as more people find fire weapons more reasonable to obtain. Right now you have a lot of people staying out of the market entirely because it just isn't worth it compared to the alternatives.

So basically we are getting a flat out NO! answer from developer. Pretty much ignoring the fact that it is a big problem. Really.... I mean, I understand it is summer and everything, but seriously they should hire more people to work there. FFXI is one of the last few remaining subscription based MMORPG out there... and the most profitable for SE, they should be able to hire an entire team for this.

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Originally Posted by Kysaiana

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH.

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No, he's pretty much just flat out trolling the thread. I won't deny that there are always a fair amount of flame geodes up on siren, but we also have some pretty weird players.

I get about the same number of fire geodes on Firesday as I get any other type on the respective day with no weather, so 1-2 in the whole day, occasionally I get none in the whole day, regardless of the type. The lack of fire weather, not the drop rate is the problem. As far as I've seen, they work exactly like every other geode under the same conditions.

However, rarity isn't the issue. Take a look at the AH history. Flame Geodes are consistently one of the most common type on the AH and they are still the most expensive by a long shot. Yes, they are harder to get, but people farm them because they are so expensive.

The issue is with demand. Fire weapons are too consistently useful to too many jobs, while most of the other elements are only useful to a few jobs, and, even then, might only be useful for very specific situations that everyone that plays that job might not encounter. The only way to fix the prices is to make the other elemental weapons more appealing. If more jobs had viable options other than fire, the price would go down on flame geodes because not every other person would go for them.

Even if they increased the amount of fire weather, I really doubt the price would come down. The current supply is mostly coming from people that specifically farm them. Unless fire weather was absolutely everywhere, the price isn't going to drop much. If the price isn't high enough to motivate people to specifically try to get them to sell, then they are going to become rare, which will keep the price up. The stable price point might go a little lower, but I doubt by that much.

I disagree. If people had a more reliable way to farm them prices would fall and less people would resort to buying them, they would still be the most expensive, but they would not be 5 times higher than the next most expensive geode on the market! Thats how I believe it should be, if you want to farm you have the option, reasonably, however if you want to throw gil at people there should be a good amount to buy at the same time. To me, this fixes all the problems there are with it currently.

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Originally Posted by Kysaiana

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

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Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

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Actually, Geodes/Avatarites are NOT timed drops; at least not 5-minute timed drops like seals/crests.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106...=1#post4948526

It was blink-and-you-miss-it testing but that now-broken image was a screenshot of two breeze geodes in Nynja's treasure pool.

Anyway, if you're geode farming specifically (which you are), you're targetting mobs between 60 and 80, on which a THF is perfectly free to sub WAR, ride berserk with cheap food to cap attack, and totally obliterate as fast if not faster than any two-hand job.

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

No, it was Nynja and two mules; one party.

You can also log out and log back in to restart timer.

i am trying to come up with a better way to say "why would you do that"

Because logging out takes 30 seconds. Restarts timer. Meaning you can get one every 2 minutes if you're lucky enough.

Ok, let me put this another way.

Are you suggesting he falsified his data? This would be a really weird and pointless thing to lie about.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Ok, let me put this another way.

Are you suggesting he falsified his data? This would be a really weird and pointless thing to lie about.

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I'm saying that if someone in his party accidental DCed and he didn't notice, he could have infact gotten 2 via "log out" method. Not saying it's false, just saying that could have happened. 1 random extra geode after how long makes me think that that's what may have happened or he beat the odds. Or please show me actual testing.

He would notice a DC, because those are his mules.

At any rate, the implication of his post is that it's happened multiple times* and that was the example he had at his convenience.

I am of course not him so I can't swear by his experiences**, but with ALL THE GEODE FARMING HE'D DONE, if the double drop had happened once and a DC were involved I think he would have found that relevant.




*Vermy is one of the mules; the man has farmed waaaay more geodes than I or I assume you ever will


**I don't have a mule and don't keep my game logs so if two geodes dropped for me in five minutes I wouldn't even notice because really, what does that change

I'm in the zoning does something camp.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

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I posted earlier in this thread that I've personally gotten 2 geodes in under 5 min in a zone with weather, it's uncommon but it happens. After farming geodes on several different jobs, I'd have to agree TH doesn't seem to matter. I've tried on pup blu thf and drk. I had the same general kill speed/number by the end of the game day and the same average of geodes, 1-2 with the occasional 0.

If there's a timer at all, it's not 5 min, and I doubt logging out would do anything but lower your kill speed since I've personally had no geode drop for the first 30-40 mins of a firesday before. Not to mention the times were 0 dropped at all. "Timers" aren't the issue with geode farming on days, it's the piss poor drop rate.

So again, people aren't asking for flame geodes to be cheaper (at least I'm not), we're just asking for fire weather to be as common as the other 7 weathers.

There was ONE time I also had 2 geodes in the pool with only one party, 3 people in party. There was wind weather present, I don't remember what day it was though. It was in Sky, I was really confused about it and I've never seen it happen again since. It is entirely possible that one of us had zoned in after the first one was in the pool and gotten the kill shot for the second one... it's been over a year since it happened but I know we were trying to pop Steam Cleaner at the time and I seem to remember zoning in after the detector had been pulled and dolls were being killed.

Whatever it is, zoning DOES help, immensely. I was farming flame geodes in Meriph (S) on firesday, and a random bout of fire weather popped. After each geode I would recall back into the zone and resume killing, and get a geode almost every single mob, if not then the second mob would drop one. I came out with 12 flame geodes on that one firesday. I've done the same thing in sky with wind weather and come out with a boat load of geodes by camping by one of the Ve'lugannon zones. I've never been able to duplicate 2 geodes/1 party, and there's been many many opportunities for it to happen. There's some kind of exception where it can happen, it's just extremely rare and I still stick by the 5 minute drop timer/zoning reset theory.

it's likely a matter that you can have a geode drop slot for both day and weather separately, but because weather overwrites day, the day drop's would be altered, and most likely, if weather's active, it's more likely to use that drop slot instead of day, even if one is waiting on the 5 min timer and the other isn't, but there's a very low chance that the day's drop will get through instead, and thus give you two in less than 5 minutes. That's purely speculation, though.

I agree, that'd make the most sense since day drops are so rare already you're not likely to see two at once.

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.

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Originally Posted by kewitt

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.

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Nothing is out of reach, you'r just lazy.

I've seen breeze drop back to back to back to back in sky during weather. No other goede seems to do that.
If you're still claiming it's a timer, then perhaps each individual in the party gets one.

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Originally Posted by kewitt

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.

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In-game date was 11/13 and 11/14---half-way into the fall season, so cooler weather patterns are more prominent now. You just missed the two days fire weather was actually in the forecast (Windsday and Lightsday, 11/09 and 11/11 respectively). There may be some more odd occurrences that crop up...have a few dates noted that should still be accurate for this in-game calendar year:

12/17, Watersday in Kuzots (07:09 Eastern on Sept. 6)
12/30 Darksday in Kuzots (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 6)

If these game days also hold true like the others I've recently checked on, it may pop again on these days as well:

01/21, Iceday in Kuzots (15:48 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/25, Firesday in Volbow (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/27, Watersday in Volbow (21:33 Eastern on Sept. 7)

Granted, these may well be very short cycles for some of these forecasts because it is "off-season weather"...but the point is it follows a predictable pattern if one takes the time to track it. So far during the past 3 weeks, it has been a 100% match for the last 10 specific dates I have checked against in my notes from the last time I specifically hunted weather/days for geodes for a friend a few months back.

Not saying the system in general couldn't use some tweaking, but there IS a way to mitigate some of these problems IF you are willing to put in the effort.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

In-game date was 11/13 and 11/14---half-way into the fall season, so cooler weather patterns are more prominent now. You just missed the two days fire weather was actually in the forecast (Windsday and Lightsday, 11/09 and 11/11 respectively). There may be some more odd occurrences that crop up...have a few dates noted that should still be accurate for this in-game calendar year:

12/17, Watersday in Kuzots (07:09 Eastern on Sept. 6)
12/30 Darksday in Kuzots (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 6)

If these game days also hold true like the others I've recently checked on, it may pop again on these days as well:

01/21, Iceday in Kuzots (15:48 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/25, Firesday in Volbow (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/27, Watersday in Volbow (21:33 Eastern on Sept. 7)

Granted, these may well be very short cycles for some of these forecasts because it is "off-season weather"...but the point is it follows a predictable pattern if one takes the time to track it. So far during the past 3 weeks, it has been a 100% match for the last 10 specific dates I have checked against in my notes from the last time I specifically hunted weather/days for geodes for a friend a few months back.

Not saying the system in general couldn't use some tweaking, but there IS a way to mitigate some of these problems IF you are willing to put in the effort.

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So I'm need to plan my life around FFXI I think not. FFXI is something to do when I got free time not something I do because I have to get something done in. Sorry I don't mind spending time farming on fireday for 1 hour every few days when I log in and it's darkday. To get zero geodes sucks for something I should be able to build up 2-5 per fireday easy. That would still take me more then a month.

If I had hours and hours to play and get people to do things I would go after a mystic or emp or relic.

Honestly I hear people in my LS coming out of Dynamis daily with 100-150 dynamis money, atleast at that rate I could see the goal of a relic coming out of it. Farming flame geodes I don't see the goal because it seems to take so much effort for so little gain.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Nothing is out of reach, you'r just lazy.

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Please explain how it's lazy to spend 1 hour and get no results. Your adding nothing to the discussion other then trolling and it isn't helpful.

People. Please use your and you're properly. It's disgusting to constantly read. I'm saying he feels empy/relic/mythic are out of reach. Ok so he had bad luck and probably bad kill speed, which resulted in no geode drops. NEEDS TO BE FIXED GUYS.