New 99 trials

Pchan will never deliver on those screens.

If I didn't know any better I'd say he was full of chocobo dung.

People who think 10 mil is a lot are the same people running around in full aurore claiming AF3+2 is too hard to farm...these are the same people who CANT kill ADL.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

People who think 10 mil is a lot are the same people running around in full usukane claiming you need a full earth resist set with double earth carol and barstonra to kill Dragua... these are the same people who CANT kill ADL.

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Fixed!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Nynja

pchan was so quick to post proof of a rdm+thf GGears duo back at 75 when I called him on it (yet the proof of burden was can a thf+mage duo get there and kill everything on the way as a duo, of which that wasnt proven)...yet he's hesitating to post proof of this deed. I wonder why.

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so you still think a duo cannot kill their way up to that room lol, what can I say. Here is a proof that 3 maning the last NM in this zone is easy: ( this is actually 2 manning, the 3rd is THF here only to put TH on CC):

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/619...adel-Chelonian.

If a 3 man team can reach CC in 85 minute, a 2 man team can reach the previous floor in 50min ish.

But this reminds me that: you thought 6 manning the last floor of arrapago in under 7 minute was imposssible at 75 w/o a bard ( hey last week I solo killed on monk the whole floor in 5min), you thought 3 manning Nyzlul all the way to floor 100 was impossible, and so on.

Lol and here comes the puppet to defend the master.

Why can't either of you post a damn video of you duoing the all the pop items, then 6 manning ADL?

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Originally Posted by Monchat

so you still think a duo cannot kill their way up to that room lol, what can I say. Here is a proof that 3 maning the last NM in this zone is easy: ( this is actually 2 manning, the 3rd is THF here only to put TH on CC):

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/619...adel-Chelonian.

If a 3 man team can reach CC in 85 minute, a 2 man team can reach the previous floor in 50min ish.

But this reminds me that: you thought 6 manning the last floor of arrapago in under 7 minute was imposssible at 75 w/o a bard ( hey last week I solo killed on monk the whole floor in 5min), you thought 3 manning Nyzlul all the way to floor 100 was impossible, and so on.

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Stand your ground!

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Originally Posted by Nynja

People who think 10 mil is a lot are the same people running around in full aurore claiming AF3+2 is too hard to farm...these are the same people who CANT kill ADL.

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Sounds like you then :P

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Originally Posted by Nynja

People who think 10 mil is a lot are the same people running around in full aurore claiming AF3+2 is too hard to farm...these are the same people who CANT kill ADL.

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To be fair, I think 10mil is a lot and I did all my +2 and Almace. Most all that stuff is Rare/Ex which means "Free with the proper amount of effort."

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Sounds like you then :P

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Fail troll is fail.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Sounds like you then :P

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Funny I have my AF3+2 sets and I didnt have to brew dragua...

are you girls going to post those duoed ADL popsets? Or are you guys wiping over and over and over?

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the majority of players (after the nerf it required 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the maority of players (after the nerf it was 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

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Could get a JoL pop in about 15 min, its called buying it.

ZING

Blah blah blah blah
Are you going to post those duoed ADLs that YOU claimed was possible or not?

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Blah blah blah blah
Are you going to post those duoed ADLs that YOU claimed was possible or not?

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This is the only thing that matters when it comes to you pchan, put up or shut up.

EDIT: If I had to guess though, I'd say you keep wiping to regular DL in your attempts to prove to everyone you're right and that's keeping you from 'proving'it. DL isn't exactly easy at 99 with only 2 people.

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Originally Posted by Dart

Could get a JoL pop in about 15 min, its called buying it.

ZING

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Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing. You actually need less people for ADL than what was required to do JoL plus the pop are about 10 times faster to get (and easier). zing zing.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing.

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Didn't you know? JoL can be killed by a skilled soloist. All you need is sixteen SMN mules with Perfect Defense to swap out every minute or so.

Gosh, you're so behind on the times.

The context of the discussion is clearly level 75 cap jol...

and your comments on ADL and its pop items are related to lv99, so get to it

Every post you make without a screenshot in it lowers everyone's opinion of you even more (if that was possible)

inb4 everyone's posts are reported

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Originally Posted by Markovchan

Ima derp

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i wish someone would topicban him until he has proof.

But then again i also with the community reps around here didnt have to handle everything with kid gloves and would occasionally tell people to stfu when they are clearly in the wrong.

edit: fixed the quote, thanks kimble.

I assume you meant to quote Pchan, not Alerith?

I didn't think it was possible for someone to continue to defend a ridiculous position without any shred of proof.

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

Reminds me of the days of Craftermath and his "HQ rate theories"

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the majority of players (after the nerf it required 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

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Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

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Originally Posted by Brolic

Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

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I personally don't care about the difficulty of ADL, or even the difficulty of building ADL sets. I have a problem with this level of difficulty being put in a time constricted zone with a maxixmum of 2hours per day. I would rather go through a trial that took more manhours then having to deal with splitting up farming to 2hours a day.

example: Say you can build popsets with 5 people, and kill popsets with 12 (obviously this isnt true for all occasions)

We are Killing enough for 1 stage1 completion in this example and excluding farming plates.

To make it fair, i am going to assume that the group doing these cant spend an enormous amount of time every day. I'de say 5 hours is a good middle ground.


PW sets:
A good group could get through an entire wing in a 5hour span, building 5 popsets for each wing (3 wings)
Add a 5hour day for the actual kills, and we have ourselves:
20hours per person farming sets and killing spanning the time of 4 days to finish 1 mythic to 99 stage1


ADL sets: A group of 5 will probably spend an entire run farming and killing 1 NM per day to complete a set of 5. That's 2 hours a day for 5 days.
Add in at best with 12 people 2 kills per run. Over the course of 3 days.
Leaves us with 16hours over the span of 8 days.

If anyone thinks my numbers are off please let me know.

tldr: PW takes 4days per Mythic, but 20hours per person, ADL takes 8 days per Relic, but 16hours per person.

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL : 3 MNK/WARs with vere 90+, 1 BRD, 1 SMN.
If you are a group of 12 you can keep the 3 MNK/WAR as the setup doesn't rely on hundredfists (but 2x marches), soulvoice may not be meeded either (especially if gjallharhorn). So basically It amounts to the number of SMN you are bringing in. To be safe a groupe of 4 MNKs, 1 BRD, 1 WHM, 1 THF, and 5 smn (=12) will be able to pop 5 sets.

Here is the minimal setup for a popset : MNK(/NIN or /THF) and WHM(/THF or /RDM). The NIN/BST NM is semi dangerous due to mijin but as monk it doesn't kill you. The RDM/BRD one has nothing special beside chainspell, but WHM is there for cureskin. The THF/DRK mob is just slighty longer because of PD. The only semi difficult one is the SMN/PLD NM, whm can sleep the avatar (except carbuncle) and in case astral flow goes of you'll be glad to know it doesn't kill the monk. The mini NM that drop DL pops are jokes for any soloer. DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

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So you admit you can't duo that popset for ADL now?

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

he backpedaled and said DL can be killed with the full group before popping ADL

anything can be done on paper though:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...64501836652849
run from every battle that you can, crit all boss fights and have all boss's miss you with every attack, or instakill...Which works on paper, not in practice (unless you have savestates)

how about actually duoing the NM's and offering proof of said paperplan?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL :

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Quoted and bolded for the lulz

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

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That is because you don't read what I say. First I've already said before that NQ DL would be killed right before ADL, so no I'm not backpedalling. Secondly, when I said that it was in the context of farming several popset as different groups and THEN on another run, gather with other people and pop multiple times. So in this context, killing DL as duo serves no purpose. Finally I originally said that you can farm a popset with 2-3 players. You will kill nq DL with as low as 3 people, just need to be clever and not use jobs that suck like nynja. I mean a trio of BLM THF DRK will not go far even though they are DD. BRD,MNK,MNK will do eet.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing. You actually need less people for ADL than what was required to do JoL plus the pop are about 10 times faster to get (and easier). zing zing.

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the discussion was about farming the pop not actually killing it. So i'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Besides the guy who can't post proof of his claims has no right to call anyone out (I can easily post a video of me buying a pop set!), You're the ultimate hypocrite.

I've seen some SSs of 9 man kills. So 6 is not out of the question. Not sure its worth all the pop items risking it with 6 however.

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Originally Posted by Dart

the discussion was about farming the pop not actually killing it. So i'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Besides the guy who can't post proof of his claims has no right to call anyone out (I can easily post a video of me buying a pop set!), You're the ultimate hypocrite.

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No it was not.

jesus fkn christ

Can you post screenshots of you and your lackey mdk DUOING (not both 2boxing, TWO characters in game fighting the mobs, no outside PL, no stupid outside ploys that you want to try to bypass and go "see its done", just two characters PEW PEW mob dead) the following mobs:
Duke Haures, Marquis Caim, Count Haagenti, Baron Avnas
or not?

Its not a difficult question, considering you made the claims, over a week ago, that it is possible and rather easy. So do it, or get the f out of here with your incessant trolling unproductive garbage.

Yes it's easy, but your forgot to explain us WHY it is apparently so hard. Here is my bet : you have never killed them. Any combo of 2 jobs should be able to kill them. Want me to solo them on pewp?

Then why is it taking you a week to do it?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Yes it's easy, but your forgot to explain us WHY it is apparently so hard. Here is my bet : you have never killed them. Any combo of 2 jobs should be able to kill them. Want me to solo them on pewp?

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Yes please, we're all interested in some pics/videos tho. You make statements that you claim to be factual rather than conceptual. Please put on those Avesta Bangles and inspire us, even if it will be a RDM running around a rock for 2 hours.
Nothing against you, but all I see for the last 5 pages is lots of talking being tossed around "I can do it" & "No you can't", but it won't resolve anything.

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Originally Posted by Zirael

Nothing against you, but all I see for the last 5 pages is lots of talking being tossed around "I can do it" & "No you can't", but it won't resolve anything.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTPwvGC0rY

Building any less then 5 popsets at a time imo is a waste of time, I dont care if you can duo or trio a damn paper bag, its a waste of time.

Man, have you guys even killed ADL? Monks lol...

yeah and it's cake.