the thing is, this isn't just unnecessary...it's in a sense duplication. As you re-affirmed--everyone who has gotten their chocobo license can also have the ability to call a chocobo in two those areas already. The only people this would really benefit in those areas are those who either don't have their chocobo whistle on them, or don't have any more charges on it.
Making a game change like this simply becasue someone didn't taken the time to complete a simple (though lengthy) questline is just puzzling to me, especially when some of the supporters are treating it like it's such a must have thing. There already exists a simple means to remedy the situation, they are just too lazy I guess.
And that leads back to a bigger issue with the player base that is just getting out of hand.... "it's tooos hards... it takes too long!.... more eazy buttons pwease!"
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06-22-2011, 05:42 AMRAIST
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06-22-2011, 05:53 AMJackDaniels
Many people just returning after thinking they'd never be back post FFXIV announcement (including myself) wouldn't be playing now if it wasn't for the easy button. If you've already completed most of the game's content, then stop trying to convince the dev to stop going in this direction. Just because you were suckered into time sinks doesn'e mean that everyone playing now wants to spend a year playtime getting to where you are now.
FFXI is now casual, deal with it. -
06-22-2011, 05:59 AMFiarliaDon't get me wrong, I pretty much agree. As I stated numerous times, the change would be unnecessary, especially in Mhaura/Selbina (not gonna lie, I'd like chocobos in Tavnazia though I still readily admit it's equally unnecessary). And I agree with an earlier post about walking taking less time (for most routes) for most of the reasons you'd need a Chocobo in Bubu/Dunes. I recall before the Altepa crystal got a wrangler, and people lveled in Kuftal. You'd always have the idiot who would go to Rabao for a Chocobo while I'd run straight through and beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAIST
So yeah, I pretty much agree with you; it's unnecessary and already has a remedy in-game. But I still maintain that it wouldn't be that bad of a change - and not just because there's worse ideas floating around. I also agree that many people want even more easymode than the game already is, but I hardly think adding chocobos would be detrimental to the relative difficulty of the task without them being available (getting from point A to point B). The only possible argument that I can see about making the game easier is that it would give players even less of a reason to quest their own chocobo. Though on that note I hated Chocobo Raising so much. I hated it on my first bird and I hated it more by the time I got STR/END/Gallop/Cantor on a non-yellow bird. It's there for people to do, and it is a remedy, but it honestly sucks so much it's not even funny. It's just annoying and fucking terrible, and I completely understand why people wouldn't want to do it (partially laziness, yes, but that's not the whole of it). Besides, those who want to raise their own bird still can, and there's still a use for it, even after adding chocobo stables/wranglers. I would personally still use my whistle as much as I already do. -
06-22-2011, 06:07 AMRAISTFor the record, I haven't done a lot of content. I've done rank 10 in one nation, COP and ZM--evertyhing else is unfinished. Only to floor 35 on Nyzul, haven't fought Alexander for the first time yet, only ranked up once in TAU, still have two fights left on WotG---and most all of that (except ZM and Rank 10) has been done SINCE they lifted the level caps. I have done Limbus 3 times since the caps changed, and still have yet to do Dynamis ONCE. I have ONE piece from Sky (Genbu's shield) that I earned on 90 SMN. We goofed and got out of synch and lost the big fight, just haven't bothered to go back up there since. But it would be nice to have that atma one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
The point I was trying to make is of the bigger picture. Everyone keeps clamoring for minor little tweaks like that that keep getting implemented in short order, while much bigger (and by the noise around them) more crucial things keep getting put off. All I'm saying is, concentrate on what is more "game-breaking' first before pushing through the fluff.
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06-22-2011, 06:23 AMPaksenarrionI would give you a great big hug right now but that'd be uncomfortable for both of us so I give a hearty "Thank you" instead.Quote:
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To Raist, I can get a chocobo in San d'Oria. Remove them from the crags, Bastok, Windurst, and Jeuno. That is your argument taken to an extreme level. If the devs feel that this is possible in a reasonable time, they're willing to do it. Some of the major suggestions that you want them to focus on rather than this are things that take great care to balance out. I read the SE rep recent posts often. They've stated in some of them that they're working on methods but they take time. The enmity cap argument, for example, they said they're not wanting to raise the enmity cap, but looking into methods to adjust each job to allow them to do what they do best.
Basically, you want them to focus 100% on serious business that could take months of planning, and remove any fun or helpful additions that might only take a day or two to make to the game. You admit that you're missing out on a lot of endgame. Why don't you go try some of it, and learn the true meaning of "balancing the game." -
06-22-2011, 06:47 AMRAIST
I have been doing the endgame content since the caps were lifted...guess you glossed over that point.
And removing wranglers from the crags is not the same thing. That was the more logical place to put them in the outlying areas because they are a central transportation point in the middle of a looong travel route between cities. Same thing with putting wranglers at the recall points in the past. It makes sense because of the DISTANCE BETWEEN HUBS. What you guys are lobbying for with two of these locations is to put a wrangler at a hub that is already near another hub with a wrangler there. I just ran to sky today...took aby maw to bubu and ran to crag to warp up. It took me about 4 minutes. So you are lobbying for them to put chocos about 6 or 7 minutes apart from each other in that particular incident.
Regardless of what kind of resources it may take to implement it, it's akin to putting two Starbuck's 3 blocks apart. How many jokes have been made about that kind of stuff? The only reason to justify such a move would be overcrowding at one corner, so they put another up to thin things out, or it's an access issue so they have one on the north bound side of the street and one on the south bound side. Which just further illustrates how trivial this is--there just isn't as disproportionate a demand for them in two of those cities.
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06-22-2011, 07:14 AMPaksenarrion
I pretty much just read the part where you said you didn't do much pre-Abyssea endgame. Whole different ballgame there. As someone pointed out, the game is delving into easy mode territory already. It's not like I'm suggesting to add a chocobo into every zone. In fact, I believe I started off my original post with:
Convenience. I use all sorts of transportation methods to get where I need to go. How does my WHM get to Sky? Teleport-Mea, grab a chocobo, go to the Shattered Telepoint.Quote:
"Achika Suggests Matters of Convenience."
I am not kidding. I am that much into getting where I need to go as fast as I can. I, a person that fails at understand detailed concepts in this and many games, researched how to raise the fastest chocobo I could. Right now, I'm spending cruor on a character that desperately needs cruor for Atma of Ambition while I do a repeatable quest. I know cruor is easy to get. I just haven't had a chance to go out of my way to get any on her after I got all the items she needed that were purchased with it, barring brew because she's not done Shinryu.
And honestly? I rarely go to Selbina or Mhaura (Which I just realized I've been spelling terribly wrong.). Originally I was only going to suggest for Tavnazia, but I figured "Eh, why not" and added the other two cities.
Your "big picture" fails to take into account that the dev team probably knows what they're doing when they get suggestions. Yes, jobs need fixed. This next update is supposed to have a great deal of changes to jobs if I read the newsletter right. If they feel that something is possible and they want to do it and it's not out of their way, let them! If you were arguing against them looking into Tavnazia chocobos because they admitted that would be a whole different type of change, then I might have agreed with you. Unfortunately, you're arguing the Selbina and Mhaura ones.
Just calm down, take a deep breath, and realize that SE has some idea of what they're doing. Big changes take time. Little changes take less time. If they can do both? Completely awesome. Give them some time to respond to the bigger issues that could impact balance. Chocobos in Mhaura and Selbina? If you can tell me why this is unbalanced (No, "because neighboring zones already have them" is not a valid response to the balance of the game.), then I will relent and shut my pie hole. -
06-22-2011, 07:19 AMRAIST
it takes longer to get to the same point if you go get a bird then it does to run by foot, making it INCONVENIENT....so what's the point?
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06-22-2011, 07:42 AMPaksenarrion
Does it? I guess the people that come with me are just slow then. Unless you're talking about it being inconvenient for me to get there first when I have to wait for the people that are coming with me. I guess if that's the case, then yes, I would agree.
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06-22-2011, 07:43 AMRavenmoreRemoving the caps from CoP and nations, making leveling faster is one thing this is asking for crap that not needed. This is outright being to lazy to think. Idea's like this is what will end up killing the game when everyone wants the little crappy things that adds nothing to content but eats dev time. On its own may not look like it takes much but if the devs see that all it takes to keep the retarded masses happy then geuss what we will all end up getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels