A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

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Originally Posted by Gannon

Honestly I think the language barrier is the biggest obstacle to overcome with getting your ideas to the devs. It would probably be a good idea for someone that is good at translating between English and Japanese to compile all the good ideas from this thread, translate them into Japanese and post them all on their side of the forums.

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Well I hate to say this but if that really is their biggest problem then they aren't a very good company at all or at least not as good as they try to portray themselves to be. Even small companies make sure to have multilingual employees and definitely hire multilingual people to work the forums. Remember there are still some French, Spanish, Chinese etc, gamers playing they've got to be able to communicate to them too if not I don't know if I'm even going to keep supporting them. Why when if I hablo espanol you say sorry Japanese, English or gtfo?

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Originally Posted by Blah

Well I hate to say this but if that really is their biggest problem then they aren't a very good company at all or at least not as good as they try to portray themselves to be. Even small companies make sure to have multilingual employees and definitely hire multilingual people to work the forums. Remember there are still some French, Spanish, Chinese etc, gamers playing they've got to be able to communicate to them too if not I don't know if I'm even going to keep supporting them. Why when if I hablo espanol you say sorry Japanese, English or gtfo?

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It's not that SE doesn't have multilingual employees on staff, pretty sure the community reps at least know Japanese. The problem is the devs themselves mostly know just Japanese and they do read and reply to the forums, in Japanese. My idea was just getting this thread's ideas over to where there is a better chance for the devs to actually see it.

Monday morning of next week I can have my Japanese friend translate the content of this thread over into the Japanese forums. However, I still think that we shouldn't have to work to this extent to get some attention and responses, but at this point the only way we're going to get our suggestions to happen is if we have the unanimous support of all of the playerbase including JP, EU, NA, and others. I was just taking a peek over at the general discussion in the JP forums and they have some posts with over 500,000 views and we're barely breaking 10k, so it's no longer surprising to me that the JP forums get more attention than the NA and other forums, not to mention they also have quite a bit more community reps.

Regardless of if we have multilingual community reps or not, the communication between NA players, the community reps, and the game developers are just not as good as they should be, so I think it's time we take the initiative.

Would you guys like me to to make the post in the JP forum? Comment or thumbs up. I personally think it's the next step if we want these things to be implemented, but I'm open to opinions.

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Originally Posted by Shinron-PUP

Monday morning of next week I can have my Japanese friend translate the content of this thread over into the Japanese forums. However, I still think that we shouldn't have to work to this extent to get some attention and responses, but at this point the only way we're going to get our suggestions to happen is if we have the unanimous support of all of the playerbase including JP, EU, NA, and others. I was just taking a peek over at the general discussion in the JP forums and they have some posts with over 500,000 views and we're barely breaking 10k, so it's no longer surprising to me that the JP forums get more attention than the NA and other forums, not to mention they also have quite a bit more community reps.

Regardless of if we have multilingual community reps or not, the communication between NA players, the community reps, and the game developers are just not as good as they should be, so I think it's time we take the initiative.

Would you guys like me to to make the post in the JP forum? Comment or thumbs up. I personally think it's the next step if we want these things to be implemented, but I'm open to opinions.

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Yes please I don't like to think we're being ignored because now that it's mostly Japanese they can safely write us off but we'll have our answer if we get a quick response when you post it on the Japanese forums.

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Originally Posted by Shinron-PUP

Do you guys think that they're purposely not responding to this thread because its too controversial and they know that it's the most logical solution but they don't want to do it?
Has anyone else noticed that typically the only time a thread is responded to is if the game developers already intended to add that suggestion or are asking for suggestions themselves? I'm starting to believe that the forums are giving the false illusion that the game developers are listening to our opinions, but are actually just doing what they want to do and not what we all would like to have happen at the end of the day.

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All that has to be said is "Stymie". Absolutely everyone hated the Red Mage 1 hour Stymie from its conception and we all protested against it and begged the game developers to give Red Mage something more useful. Did they listen? No. At the end of the day the game developers did what the hell the game developers wanted to do and that was that.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Thanks for all the feedback regarding Stymie.
While this may end up being a repeat of what was mentioned previously by Producer Akihiko Matsui, the development team feels that when it comes to the newly implemented seal battlefields, this ability is effective and has its uses.

We encourage you to enter these battlefields and try out strategies using this ability.

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Here is what Akihiko really said to all of us

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Originally Posted by Producer Akihiko Matsui:

"Thanks for all your feedback everyone! Although we're aware that everyone completely detests and loathes the Red Mage 1 Hour Stymie, we'd like you to try it anyway because we're right and you're wrong and everyone can suck it."

P.S. We didn't even read your feedback because you're NA players.

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*Disclaimer: This is not a original post by Okipuit or Akihiko Matsui, but simply a parody.


The position Pet jobs are in right now are no different from stymie. The game developers are well aware that just about every person who has actually played Beastermaster, Summoner, Puppetmaster, and Dragoon are absolutely unsatisfied with the jobs because they spend so much time gearing and leveling it to simply have retire it anyway because it has no use in group content. The game developers know the solution to the problem, but they're to stubborn to actually just listen to us for once.

Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if the game developers are just not saying anything because they want to let this thread die. The thread is too controversial. They know that if they confront the post, they will inevitably have to get involved with it because there's an obvious problem and if they don't fix it then it'll just make them look bad. So they're all just ignoring the big elephant in the room and hoping it'll go away eventually.

Camate and the other community representatives have had an ampule amount of time to read through this thread and forward it to the game developers for them to respond to. Either they're still coming up with a response, or they didn't even bother to read it in the first place. But who knows because no one is saying anything to us. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a bit fed up. I don't know what it'll take for them to start listening and responding to us but if this drags on any longer I think I'm retiring from FFXI because this is just a waste of time.

~Shout out to Debmaeda from Fenrir for bringing up this point.

To defend Camate and the rest of the NA dev team they do have two forums, Facebook posts, twitter, and a whole other butt load of stuff to wade through. They probably have read the OP and this thread. After all of that wading they then talk to the other community reps to probably compare notes before passing things off to SE. Then there is the whole somethings don't have direct translation so that can slow down somethings a bit. I'm sure most of the main dev teams know enough English since they go to various conferences ect. It's just easier for them to respond in Japanese than it would be to translate into something else.

Yes it can be hard to stay the corse while it looks like you're being ignored, but this isn't even the only thread that is begging or pleading for some kind of response. Just look at the please fix these blue spells thread.

Yeah pet jobs are just not relevant in any hard content. They need to fix it. It's tiring never getting a response.

Well, seeing as though they just shot down my thread about Drachen Roll & Beast Roll for COR ("working as intended" they say), it seems quite obvious the Development Team doesn't give a rat's rectal cavity about pet jobs.

Or at least not enough to actually want to fix them properly. :/

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Well, seeing as though they just shot down my thread about Drachen Roll & Beast Roll for COR ("working as intended" they say), it seems quite obvious the Development Team doesn't give a rat's rectal cavity about pet jobs.

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I cannot even believe that.

"These rolls which no one uses ever, are fine as is even though they are pretty much entirely useless"