Blue mage Job adjustments

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

While you think that feel good non sense works, it doesn't(hasn't since CoP). If a DD or healer isn't equal it is trashed and the player base takes the best why do you think every other MMO doesn't do this BS and try to get jobs to the exact same level. Other MMOs don't get it right all the time but they come closer to balance then FFXI will ever get(with most of their balance issues coming from PVP). What is so fun about taking the exact same set up to the fight every single time or only resorting to taking the less then perfect set up only out of sheer desperation(damn sure not getting that brd or good whm to go along with it).

Each job could do the same things just with different flavors and still be equal. Really as it is right now not much reason to have more then 3 jobs when all that is ever needed is mnk, whm, brd. I mean you have only to look at the dev post about shields and see how it is not the best players will not even consider it, SE tried and even stated that they went out and made Beatific Shield +1 close to Ochain by about 10% and it is still not even really considered for events. Parties will wait for a pld with Ochain then take a pld with out would be the case if it was 5% behind.

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well we'll have to agree to disagree then. LSes,friends, and a lot of groups will take less than the 100 per cent perfect optimal jobs if they are at least within striking distance. And there are utility aspects to jobs which are hard to quantify. The problem is MNK is so far and ahead of pretty much everything (not just damage but survivability and utility) that people don't want to take chances. You say only about "10%" from Ochain - but 10% is TOO MUCH. That's a huge difference. If it was a 2% difference then I bet people would be 100% fine with it - but taking 10 per cent more damage is absolutely huge. That's why the playerbase isn't okay with it.

I have personally been in groups where people will take less than optimal. The problem is when the gap is TOO HUGE. Like the difference between a 4-5 song bard and a 2-3 song bard is SO BIG that people aren't willing to budge. I don't blame them.

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Originally Posted by Olor

well we'll have to agree to disagree then. LSes,friends, and a lot of groups will take less than the 100 per cent perfect optimal jobs if they are at least within striking distance. And there are utility aspects to jobs which are hard to quantify. The problem is MNK is so far and ahead of pretty much everything (not just damage but survivability and utility) that people don't want to take chances. You say only about "10%" from Ochain - but 10% is TOO MUCH. That's a huge difference. If it was a 2% difference then I bet people would be 100% fine with it - but taking 10 per cent more damage is absolutely huge. That's why the playerbase isn't okay with it.

I have personally been in groups where people will take less than optimal. The problem is when the gap is TOO HUGE. Like the difference between a 4-5 song bard and a 2-3 song bard is SO BIG that people aren't willing to budge. I don't blame them.

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If it's to close why bother with the niche crap at all, 1% is the same as just equal. But then we go back to what jobs are the hardest to mess up. I can do better then many lolshout trash mnk on my blu but I had to out a lot of work into it anything less and the shout trash would come out on top. So it comes back to what is better when the guy behind the char is Dee Dee, good old lazy or just having a bad day.

Even among friends and LS mates time is the most important thing and if they feel that taking you on a sub par job isn't going to serve them, then they will just shout for a mnk and get one in a couple of mins.

As for the Oahain pld, I have gone with one of my LS Ochain plds on difficult SKCs runs were he has literately gone afk for some of the fight( was just there holding the mobs while the DDs pick them off) so I doubt a 10% difference would had done anything more then make him stay at his KB. People still shout and only take Ochain for that.

Any news on blue mage yet?

I really hope some of these new job points are worth it on blu. More spell points, yes? Macc, spell dmg are already in merit g1 but more of it would be kinda nice.

I have a feeling one of these new JPs are going to affect sp1 (longer duration) so brace yourself for that disappointing feeling among first seeing that.

After some thinking, I have a feeling we are in for a disappointing update, as usual, this upcoming update. No Tourbillion/Barbed Crescent fix, no Macc changes, probably a bad 119 af2+1, and JPs will surely be crap. Perhaps, Ranger or Monk will see some awesomeness this upcoming update, but I really doubt we will see anything on blu.

Do you think Ravenmore is a bit harsh in her language when she posts here? Do you feel she she could swear a bit less in this thread/a bit less when she posts? Do you feel she bashes everyone who doesn't agree in her ways to how blu should be? Well the fact does still remain blu has MP therefore its still considered a mages job and mage jobs usually aren't considered to be a DD job. Monks don't have mp, which makes them more dd dedicated and one less part of the job that they do not have to worry about. If you love monk that much then just play monk instead of blu to which would be a common reply by others inside the game to the job with the comments ravenmore has suggested. I gather she is not one of the religious folks? Anyways, going off the thread a bit again. I would say, you shouldn't set up jobs to rely-on some one else/depend on others or that others will always be there to help you on blu with whm or supportive jobs to be able to set less job traits. I would also say the reason you shouldn't rely on others in your job because there is the fact that mishaps can happen & your blu's jobs instincts would end up defending for your self to stay alive. ravenmore seems to want ffxi to turn out to be like other games while forgetting how FFXI is suppost to be different then other games and how it's an MMO game. Anyways I know Ravenmore will be the one to blow back at me for something I have said here and she will feel her ego has been hurt and needs to defend it in someway? I just don't see anyway around what she thinks how blu should be with out here lashing back at us. I wont continue this any further her simply because now that i'm hardly on topic of this forum at all. Do any of you agree?

While I rarely agree with Ravenmore, I don't think s/he is abusive or offensive or particularly egotistical. Opinionated, sure, but who here isn't?

Ravenmore is certainly no Inafking or even Draylo, whom I agree with positionally a little more often than Ravenmore, but no, I don't think that Ravenmore's posts are very abrasive, is about the normal timbre of post on this forum.

In fact I dislike your posts far more than Ravenmore's, mostly because of formatting/lack of spacing/difficulty to read and follow.

Well, no Tourbillion fix but at least more spell points.

I have played many MMOs and seen how bad SE is at balance and how niche jobs or classes don't work due to human nature. The VW proc system was the closest SE has ever came to real balance and that was mostly a gimmick that forced you to take the weak jobs. It is up to the dev to ensure that jobs are needed or wanted in content other wise the player base will always go with most useful, the easiest to gear and hardest to derp.

I could just join the nerf mnk bandwagon but that doesn't really make things any better and doesn't solve the core issue. Once mnk is hammered down into the ground then the next job that is derp proof would rise and most likely would just be sam again.

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

While I rarely agree with Ravenmore, I don't think s/he is abusive or offensive or particularly egotistical. Opinionated, sure, but who here isn't?

Ravenmore is certainly no Inafking or even Draylo, whom I agree with positionally a little more often than Ravenmore, but no, I don't think that Ravenmore's posts are very abrasive, is about the normal timbre of post on this forum.

In fact I dislike your posts far more than Ravenmore's, mostly because of formatting/lack of spacing/difficulty to read and follow.

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Problem Solved. I'll just stop posting on the forum's all together and leave it to the professionals or professional writters to be the only one's who write on the forums from now on. :mad: :(

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

Problem Solved. I'll just stop posting on the forum's all together and leave it to the professionals or professional writters to be the only one's who write on the forums from now on. :mad: :(

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It's not a matter of being a professional writer, just try to break some of it up here and there. I used to post a lot like how you seem to at times, which is a large mass of seemingly never ending text that just goes on and on. It's not something to leave over, but it is something you can fix if you think about it, just at the end of your post try to look back at it, find parts that don't necessarily need to be connected to one another, and space them out a bit with a few blank lines between. It may not be all that they were talking about, but I admit, it's something that has stopped me from reading some of your posts. Large masses of text just deter me. Either way, I hope you won't leave and instead will change this aspect a bit.