Beastmaster: Will I ever charm again?

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

charm is not god-mode! Beast was designed to be able to solo most content from level 1 on, in fact beast was often hinderred in an XP party due to a lack of pets that were DC-EM at camp and forced to be a 2nd class melee if you didn't have jugs yet. It was so those of us logging in with 3 hours of available time could actually do something in the 2.5 hours it took to find a level-appropriate party instead of being bored stiff seeking/searching in Jeuno.

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Ok so in a thread about the future of charming, you bring up that we had to charm at lvl 1?

Yeh well charm isnt broken at lvl 1. It is broken at lvl 99. SE has been moving away from charm as an endgame option for years. I'm telling you why. Charm doesnt scale.

taking control of something designed to be fought by a few lvl 1's is not as threatening as taking control of something designed to be fought by a few lvl 99's.

Hell, i would personally love to have charm back. Id abuse the hell out of infinite fodder.

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Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung

Because they have googly eyes. I find most things with googly eyes are not charmable.

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I just spit Mountain Dew all over myself XD I christen this the Gotterdammerung Googly Eye Principle, or GGEP for short.

Let's not forget, folks. Not all the new content's gonna be abyssea(or at least that's my bet). I'm on board with a lot of my Pld, Drk, and Rng friends who are hoping for new content in some old, [Familiar] places.

Well I for one wish they would let us know if they plan to let us charm for any of the future endgame content. If they are not then what's the point of us having +CHR on our AF3 when it does not help us.

/dnc? actually, the GoV will allow you to charm, no idea on Voidwatch as I have't tried it yet.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

/dnc? actually, the GoV will allow you to charm, no idea on Voidwatch as I have't tried it yet.

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Voidwatch you lose your pet when the battle starts... but you make a good point on GoV. There are some nice big NM's for charming in GoV. Also, I actually saw that when scars was added, they put charmables on Vozold Isle in Mount Zhayolm. I knew there were new mobs there, I've seen the fish and crabs, but I hadn't been to Vozold since then.

It was really irritating being there before, but w/ level 88 charmable pets there... its a playground. Zahak? Wamoura? just rip'em apart w/ a pet who doesn't care how much fire they unleash on it.

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Originally Posted by Fabby

Keep in mind, they (Square Enix) never intended for any job to solo in this game originally. Just because the playerbase found ways to do so doesn't mean its the intent for the job. Look at the way the job abilites are set to the player. the Leave command is level 35 for heavens sake. Try playing a pup or smn without being able to dismiss your pet.

As I start leveling my second BST, originally I want to experience leveling one in our "new world", with FoV and exp increases. So far, not having the need to leave Qufim Island until 40 is interesting, simply because I earn page exp on tip of 100xp per EP mob. That 100xp is what we use to shoot for defeating T mobs. I use jug pets, and just go to town. Subbing NIN or DNC to keep cured up, its so much a different ballgame then from years ago. Hell, I even see party invites easily and daily.

To be on topic, will we ever charm again? I cannot see why we would when we are given jugs that can do 4x the damage as us. Does me using a jug and not charming not make me a BST? Sure does. Just not the BST from years ago. Just like Abyssea makes getting XP easy unlike years ago.

But I will go on record, I am not a huge fan of the Abyssea stuff. I enjoyed some quick levels, but I don't do the quests, NM's, I have no atma's, I have no Emp Armor. I don't care if xy job is better than me, can solo better than me, and has better equipment than me. It's not the game I play.

I am happy with BST. Charming if I want, or using jugs.

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This person is my hero. lol

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I think George Michael might have something to say about this:

I feel soo sore
As I dump this macro to the floor
As my charm set dies, it's really no surprise..
With TEARS in my EYES, I tell my light staff "GOOD BYYYYYE!"

Ohhh I'm never gonna CHARM again!
This gimped JA's worse than it's ever been.
Though it's easy to pretend
That it sometimes Binds..

I SHOULD'VE known better than to CHARM again
This BIND effect don't PROC on NMs
So I'm never gonna charm again
Because of Abyssea

A moment of silence for Charm.. and my really terrible compositions..

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Roflmao~! :D

may "Charm II" for charm any unable to charm one (sure not count nm or beastmen or undead) =) may with long recast and lower chance of success.
It just fact that beast that bst can't charm is just it too strong mob. not about any of natural of mob. (i wonder what else reason we can't
charm gnat, peiste, roc type bird, ect. it not like gnole that it halfbeast halfbeastmen. and all of that i dont think it all cleaver than
opoopo which we can charm.)

xpost just because.

This is where SE is failing at BST.

Ive been playing BST for longer than this game has been out in NA, and SE just has no idea which direction theyre taking the job.

Jug pets are not BSTs main forte, Charm is. Adding new Jugs (worthwhile even)? Ok, thats cool. Making BST suck less in PTs by giving them access to heavy DD gear? Awesome. But why BST cant use their staple JA in Abyssea (or even back in Sea days) is beyond idiocy.

The charm mechanics really need to be redefined.

-I should be able to charm any current charmable family mob any charm them anywhere, firstly.
-SE should expand the range of charmable mobs. Goldfish in Sea, etc. Add some lvl 99 trait that lets you Charm undead, a JA that lets me charm Arcana, or something along those lines.
-I should be able to charm IT mobs, and be able to hold them for more than 1 minute. Make charming purposeful again by increasing Charm+ duration significantly.

Jugs were horrible a couple of years ago; low defense and would only last 30 mins. Now they take more hits and have a longer duration, which is great, but thats not what BST want.

The allure of BST was that they could control beasts. Why should I expend gil to buy a alchemistic pet, when I have a useful JA that can claim a mob right next to me?

However thats really hard to do when you cant claim ANY mob where current content has been for the last few years.

Fix Charm. Screw Jugs.

Many have begged and pleaded with se to let us charm in abyessa but they seem content to ignore us. As for we will ever charm again unless se makes a new event with charmable mobs probably not.